I have to admit that I’m really disappointed about Doreen Virtue’s recent blog post (A-Z List of New Age Practices To Avoid), calling everything—up to and including rainbow sparkly unicorns and statues—demonic work of the devil, and anyone who was working with angels, Reiki, drums, shamanism, yoga, MINDFULNESS… you name it, all evil according to Doreen.
Oh. My. Gods.
The weird thing is that her words in that blog post go against almost everything she taught in her classes, at least what I got from them. Parts of her list don’t even make sense, really. I mean, has Doreen ever stepped foot in a church? She says statues are evil and false idols, but every Catholic church I’ve been in in my whole life is filled with statues of Jesus, Mary, and other figures in the Christian tradition. Are we to think that churches are evil now, too?
Her teachings before she was baptized and born again in 2017 were all about acceptance, non-judgment, learning to trust your own intuition, being kind but assertive, connecting with nature. Doreen Virtue didn’t stop at teaching people how to work with her cards or respect deities from other religions, she also delved into her version of keeping yourself and your environment healthier and creating a life that was more in line with your own happiness.
I talked a bit about my thoughts about Doreen Virtue’s Conversion to Christianity here
and how the Angels Are Bigger Than Just One Person: Angel Work Post Doreen Virtue here
Personally, I enjoyed reading her books and learning about different ways of connecting with my intuition and angels with the practices she taught. What I learned by following some of what she taught and combining it with other rituals and details I learned from other sources took my spirituality to the next level. My own craft and connection with Spirit grew from my work, and I was also led to other teachers, topics, and rituals through learning about angels, ascended masters, goddesses, etc.
I won’t say that I bought everything she sold hook, line, and sinker, though. I never went vegan or believed in chem-trails. She was one of many teachers whose work I used to carve out my own spiritual path. I found Doreen’s teachings to be broad enough to allow many people to recognize and build their spiritual gifts and practices. Her work helped me take my own to the next level.
And the people I met through her community are some of the absolute best people I’ve ever had the pleasure to know! The Light Workers, Earth Angels, Tarot Readers, etc that I met were, as a whole, empathic, understanding, generous (sometimes to a fault), sensitive, forgiving, fascinating people. They’re fun and, because they’re high-vibe people, they are often kinder than most of the people I’ve met through other spaces.
So I don’t get how the people whom I met and formed bonds through Doreen Virtue’s work are demonic. Empathy, kindness, tolerance, curiosity, DIVERSITY are evil and we must change our ways immediately or face eternal damnation? Sorry. I’m not buying that.
Call me a sinner then. This girl ain’t giving up her Reiki, tarot, crystals, drum circles, magical friends, yoga, nature, and so many other things I consider sacred and fascinating because Doreen Virtue says they are from the devil. And I certainly don’t see my friends, colleagues, and peers who work with energy, self-help, and those who believe in something other than Christianity as being possessed by demons or in contact with evil entities. The people who I’ve gotten to know through the Angel Community aren’t, in my opinion, possessed by demons like Doreen Virtue asserts. They seem quite the opposite to me.
And that leads me to the reasons I am extremely disappointed about Doreen Virtue’s blog post:
1) The people I mentioned above. Some are doubting their connection to Spirit now. If Doreen was sincere at first, or if she was just in it for the money or never believed in it at all, or if she thinks it’s all satanic and demonic, what does that make them? What does that make me? What does that make their work? What does it say about mine? (I’ve removed my association with her work from my site in most places. If you find mention of it on my site, please tell me which page so I can update it.)
As I mentioned above, Light Workers—myself included—are a sensitive bunch, so having one of the most popular teachers in the community who taught us some of the methods we use to connect with Spirit or different entities call the work we do out as evil and negative causes a gut reaction. Either you think, “Wow, she’s lost her marbles,” like me and go on with life or you think, “Have I been imagining this all along? Are those entities I’ve been interacting with actually evil?”
Some people who found such comfort in their spirituality that was sometimes expanded by Doreen Virtue’s work are once again insecure and questioning what’s going on in their worlds, what they are sensing, the messages they are getting.
The loss of trust one might place in her own intuition is a great loss to me. We need MORE people honoring their own intuition and thoughts and being confident in themselves and a little focused on their own happiness, not less. We need to keep moving forward with this connection with the positive and good, not less. We don’t need to set ourselves back 50 years in the spiritual community.
2) Another thing we have to discuss is religious diversity. Not everyone is a Christian. There are other religions, other gods and deities, other belief systems in the world that should be respected and it’s good to learn about other gods and goddesses from other cultures and religions, too. Her new stance is anti-magic, anti-witch/Earth-based religion/pagan, anti-indiginous population, and xenophobic.
Did we learn nothing from the Inquisitions or from the Witch Hunts and trials? Are we going back to the time when religious freedom was banned and those who went against the teachings of the Church were shamed, outcast, tortured, and murdered?
Going from tolerance, acceptance, bringing people together and broadening their minds and knowledge bases to saying that everything that YOU don’t believe in is demonic or satanic is just disturbing, especially in today’s global environment. The world is a smaller place nowadays, and it’s better to learn about and respect people with other religious beliefs and rituals instead of condemning them. Understanding one another and having open conversations about what we believe in is how we make the world a better place. We need more tolerance, not less.
People need to be able to connect with a more earth-based religion if that’s what floats their boats. We need to be able to reconnect ties that were long ago cut for fear of being found out as a witch. We should be able to practice their own form of religion and worship our own gods.
Magic can’t go underground again. We, as a community, can’t let it.
3) Doreen Virtue is speaking from a place of fear, not love. Her whole post dripped guilt, shame, judgment, and fear. She’s looking to make people upset with her “bad, bad, bad” babble. She’s certainly not embodying the teachings of Jesus Christ as I know them. She needs to ask herself WWJD and let our own gods judge us when our time comes. Maybe she, herself, has something to be scared of. I don’t feel like I do.
So, while I do wholeheartedly think that Doreen’s spiritual path is her own, I wish she’d follow the advice she might have given before she was born again, the advice I think that Jesus, whose name she brought up over and over, would give: Promote what you love instead of bashing what you don’t. Respect everyone in your space, even if they have different beliefs. Love thy neighbor.
If Doreen doesn’t want to get a Reiki session or practice mindfulness or meditate, that’s her business, but she needs to quit calling anything SHE doesn’t believe in bad, especially people of other religions and backgrounds.
We are here to teach and to learn. Doreen did the first part well. This may be her learning part, as hard as it may be for me wrap my brain around ???
We may never know what she now needs. From what I’ve read, my sense is, it may be about finally finding her voice.
She will always be credited for her gifts to those that resonate. For that I am grateful. Let’s send her love, sounds like she needs it.
Thank you for posting!
We do need to send her love and just take the lessons from her (and any other teacher) as what they are. They are guides, but not the end all, be all.
Thank you for commenting, Kimberly!
It sounds as if Doreen just might be listening to the voice of Satan as this is not how God/Creator works. Satan certainly has not been vanquished yet.
Hey, you posted this on my birthday, last year! Thank you. In answer to your post:
Maybe she was possessed by Satan? But since I’m unaware who really knows Satan personally, or whether he’s only a metaphor at best for negative energy, I feel like we should let Doreen find her own path without chastising her beliefs.
I think the author of this blog post, Sue, did a great job with respecting Christianity’s messages to love thy neighbor or to turn the other cheek, especially since Doreen gave so much to the spiritual community.
However, calling something good and other things evil sounds very destructive and deceptive to me because the world is bound together in majestic harmony based on positive and negative energy, whatever we should like to call it.
In my own humble opinion, we should leave Doreen alone and use her path to keep a watchful eye on whatever we are striving for in this lifetime and the tools we use to get them, because her story shows how fragile our beliefs are, as mortals, and how influential the world around us really is on our personal beliefs.
If this makes any sense:)
🙂 Thank you!
But what is happened now is we call evil good, and good evil. Satan masquerades as an angle of light. That is how he wins people over
Everything you said is so spot-on so sad I think she needs serious healing right now something has changed Her whole personality it’s almost like she has a negative attachment she needs our prayers right now❣️
Yep, seems as though Doreen is now going in the opposite direction. Totally agree that there is some sort of negative attachment going on here that she is being controlled by. Maybe with someone close to her. It’s like her whole former personality has disappeared. Negative attachments and or negative spiritual implants.
Interesting take on the situation. I honestly don’t follow her work anymore, so I don’t even see what she’s saying or how she is acting.
I wish you the best!
I agree with what you have said in the main. However I think it is right if not to chastise, at least to critique Doreen’s damining rhetoric . Doreen is new to Christianity and yet speaks in an overly authoritative manner – and no I don’t think she is always spiritually inspired to do so. Some things she poses I probably agree with but her delivery of even those positive things is admonishing in manner. Her theological studies have been comparatively brief and yet the fact that she is only starting out on her Christian journey doesn’t seem to make her question her ability to teach. Behind her I feel are some insistent pastors who are using her ‘celebrity’ voice to speak their own beliefs .. beliefs which they vehemently instill in her. It would be good if Doreen before embarking on preaching on YouTube examined other Christian religions and interpretations of scripture and compared them to the opinions of the pastors she is associated with. This would give her a wider breadth of knowledge. One thing I know is that God is kind and good and if for any reason his children didn’t quite pray or call for help in exactly the right way God will not punish you or lay you open fully to bad elements as a result. I do not doubt Doreen’s sincerity but there has to be a way of her giving her views with empathy and loving kindness for others. Jesus sometimes spoke in a tough love manner but more often he spoke in soft kind parables which helped people to understand in their own minds right from wrong.
Angels have in addition always been an intermediary for God (for whatever reason) so naturally people are prone to ask for their help. Doreen’s threatening people with all sorts of consequences if people ask angels for help (post her new age defection) seems cruel. God knows what you mean .. because God is love and understanding.
I am a 1111 messenger and yes I am a fallen Angel and yes I have been in a spiritual battle as I have been running the gauntlet of spiritual transformation and instead of fighting demons I am trying establish an understanding ..Doreen is right on many counts …I love my friend Jesus and gave me absolution in the year 2007
I only recently found Doreen and was happily engrossed in The Lightworkers Way when I decided to look her up on Instagram. I couldn’t believe the content on there could be from the same person who wrote the book. Thank you for your article and all the comments, it’s shone a light on it for me. I’m in agreement with those who said she has some sort of demon attachment who is doing the controlling. This is so sad.
I heard from several psychic mediums (I just take them as rumors but it sounds very reasonable), that she was attacked by a demonic entity and that the experience traumatized her so much she just denounced everything. If it’s true I wouldn’t blame her for having that fear, but you can’t let fear ruin your whole life’s belief system and work.
That’s an interesting take on it. Thank you for sharing!
Sorry to say so but I have great difficulty to speak in terms of Satan.
it assumes the evil is outside somebody. And for the record in the Biblical times Satan belongs to the heavenly court.
Therefore I think this way of thinking in dualism is not really helpful.
As I think this is a typical American Evangelic way of thinking and handling issues that are way to complicated to comprehend.
Lets wait until she has things sorted out for herself. Maybe she needs that time to do so. I think she is more under the bad influence of evangelic preachers who want to feed on her spiritual power that they themselves lack.
Thank you for responding!
I disagree with your comment about leaving Doreen virtue alone. She became a multimillionaire many times over by promoting her angel work for decades. Then she calls it blasphemy and now she’s going to make more millions by promoting Christianity? This is a dangerous form of gaslighting.
I am reading your article and I can’t help laughing. It is good to laugh! I don’t think we should take all this too seriously.
I am very trustful that if Jesus exists he would laugh too because he was all about non judgement and love and was 100% new age ! Law of abondance, healing power, peace and love.
The only sadness is that Doreen made 100 millions with her entreprise and obviously it was commercial. So she felt guilty.
I read again her very inspiring book Angels vision. It is all about testimonies.
I have seen angels with my boy friend just after my parents died. We were not interested in angels at all. It was full of love, non judgemental. There was even a kind of sound of cristal bells. They came back from time to time and their sense of humor and jokes is what I loved the most.
I love angels.
And I will keep on reading her books because it is real stories.
It is sad because she was lucky enough to see Jesus Christ in real!!
Which is the prove she is gifted!
How many people on Earth have seen the Christ?
Instead of giving us beautiful encounters with Christ it is all about the old testament!
But there are UFOs in the old testament!
And she doesn’t bring a new novative approach.
And no critics of the church at all.
Christianity has been horrendous, killing, torturing and even today some sects are very dangerous killing children etc.
So before criticizing unicorns and Harry Potter I think she has some more important issues in her own faith to look after.
We all have to look out for our own faith and what we believe in. And yeah. Judgment isn’t a part of what I think Jesus was all about, either.
It’s all stories. We get the opportunity to choose the best bits and pieces that make us feel our best in order to base our lives on.
Thank you again!
Looks like many people are frustrated with her conversion to the real light who can shine on the darkness of those who present themselves as , “good” 2 Corinthians 11:14 says:
“And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
I hope she is able to shake off all the old dust of the New Age religion full of confusion and make her new life in Jesus relevant for her past followers.
On a whim, I went to DV’s IG page to see what she was saying about COVID or the uprisings. Absolutely nothing. Crickets and “New Age” criticisms.
Even her internet site which used to be fairly decent after her break with Hay House is starting to look a bit tabloidish.
I typed in my search, “Is Doreen Virtue okay?” And I landed here.
I only wish that she could love Jesus without bashing others. I can dig Christianity in moderation — but the hate she spews. Sigh. I pray for her.
Everyone is free to do and believe whatever wants. She was commercial but I believed that she was synchronized with good energy. Sometimes events driven us to another path and it’s fine…until we spread love. And she do! So, no judgement or regrets just go on the flow…by the way books and tarots of her still be selling…where the money goes? Satan’s charity lol…life is too shot to be so serious! Love…gratitude…joy…happiness this is the way to Angels and Jesus…God is everywhere in everything!
Its hard to process her new condemnation of us for doing what she taught us. She does apologize for “misleading us”. I’m just sad because I’ve never felt evil even remotely relates to divine angels.
She now says angels are satan in disguise. She says nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to call on angels.
I’m very confused? Angels are Biblical. I was raised Catholic and converted to Christianity many years ago.
I’ve always felt angels around Me. So am I really or is it devil in disguise? This is very disturbing.
I will pray for clarity.
Honestly, with all of the peace and working toward bettering ourselves the angels help with, I canNOT believe they are evil. Unless it’s somehow evil to better yourself?? LOL! It just doesn’t make sense to me, either.
Thank you for your comment!
Couldn’t agree more, the problem I have had as a psychic is judgement and condemnation from….yep you guessed it…people of faith, I’m demonic. I need to be saved…from what
Being kind to people and helping pass on messages. Oh yes, I don’t charge the earth to help people but I’ve never set foot in a church without that bowl being handed around for “donations “ Watch how everyone frowns upon people that don’t give. It’s interesting how the bible says thou shall not judge but seems that is what most religious people do. Judge, put down other churches and religions
, seriously! Why should it matter what building you go into to pray? People need to just leave others to their own belief system, not decide to change overnight then put everybody down that doesn’t follow your new “cult programming” Too many oeodophiles and abusers in that system putting the fear of god and absolute control of how one should live from my perspective. We have an emotional guidance system to tell us if we are acting appropriately or unkindly.
“It’s interesting how the bible says thou shall not judge but seems that is what most religious people do. Judge…” exactly, Cath. It’s like she went from acceptance, curiosity, and inclusion to intolerance and fear. And, as you said, the “saints” here aren’t so innocent afterall…
Thank you for your response!
I liked this statement the best. I often wondered what happened to Doreen. I followed her and read and love her books. I was born and raised Catholic and still love the Saints but I keep an open mind to spirit. There is so much we can learn and we all need to follow our own path. I find that the born again Christians are against what she taught and her new husband/partner is holding her back. That is not love in my opinion. Its control. I hope she finds her way back to teaching the way she use to.
Thank you for your response, Christine. One never knows what her path will be in the future…
I had an opportunity to see Doreen in Seattle some years ago. I literally had angels visit me for two nights and they gave me messages. They appeared with hands giving me gifts and were dimensional. I felt so blessed and happy. I cannot understand how that is bad. I am very disappointed that Doreen has taken a path that feels less happy and more judgemental. She shared her gifts with the world and for that I am thankful. I am just disappointed that it is no more.
I wonder if Doreen will give back the money she made over the years from angel cards etc. now that she no longer believes in those things or at least donate it to charity.
Well in Islam it is the same the angels are badly seen. I think when a religion is powerful or a guru like some Indian gurus money oriented, they deny the direct access. So they deny the psychics, the angels, meditation, etc. Because it is a direct access to the source. They want money and power. For Doreen if she thinks Angels are negative so it just means she never saw them in real. She made money with all this but somehow it must have been commercial. However the stories about angels in her books seem to be real. I am sad for her she never saw an angel. I am in Ireland, I went in a beautiful church today, it was full of beautiful angels in the stone, sculptures. It was all white and so inspiring. I put a candle. And I am so happy the churches are open again. But I am a free spirit. I am pretty Buddhist as well. And I am trying to respect and understand other religions, the most I can. You have beautiful statues of Angels looking like children with wings, from 600 years before Christ. It is the beauty of Angels. They are in many religions. I have seen them in real with my boyfriend and it was pure love and so beautiful. Love is the most important. The problem with Doreen those days is that we do not feel love anymore from her. She is searching for attention. Maybe she is afraid people will just forget about her. We know now she had a lady writing for her maybe she is afraid to just be replaced. I don’t know what is behind but there is something behind.
Between the end of the 15th century and the 17th century, during the “witch hunt” period, 100,000 women were accused of witchcraft crimes before being burned. On the occasion of the publication of the book Les Sorcières, Une Histoire de femmes (ed. Michel Lafon and France Culture) by Céline du Chéné, producer and columnist at France Culture, let’s look at one of these women. A woman whose name was remembered by history because she was the last witch to have been executed in Geneva in 1652. Everything seemed to predestine her to Satanism, starting with her name: Michée Chauderon. Because like most women accused of witchcraft, Michée Chauderon is an old woman, widowed and isolated. Laundress by profession, the fifties is also a healer in his spare time. On April 6, 1652, this Savoyarde was executed for “witchcraft crime” in Geneva, after a month of trial. She will be the last. Here is his story.
French press article.
I am Swiss and the history of Christianity here is very painful. Maybe she contacted a past life. What is sad is that this cruelty is still on in Africa where lots of people especially children are been accused of being witches.
So true. I wish I could unpack the totality of my thoughts about this topic—baselessly persecuting women and children, and even BIPOC——right now, but it’s a huge topic. We have to make sure that we are a part of the solution, not the problem.
The children you are talking about do have an organization to donate to: https://acaedf.org/
Thank you for your comment.
Your egos have taken control.
You all believed in her.
Their are levels of consciousness, She was ahead of you, now she has had an awakening. Personally I would listen to her.
You have done nothing wrong, but learned on your paths.
Helping others giving Love and compassion is what you do.
Doreen has helped you to where you are, so now find your own way on your paths.
It is tough but now you have to choose which fork in the road you go, your choice.
I don’t like answering others issues as I then become like minded, but I know this as experience.
God bless all
Honestly, Michael, I don’t agree with you about having our egos take control. That seems like a copout. Many people are just working to realign with themselves and their spirituality after finding out someone they learned from denounced a lot of what she taught in her classes. As you said, they have a choice to make and it’s their choice.
Blessings to you,
if you asked Ms. Virtue about statues in a Catholic Church, her answer would be “Yes. They are evil.” Fundamental Christianity (which I believe she’s espousing) are either cautious or hostile to Catholicism.
Thank you for your comments Sue Ellis Saller – I had been troubled reading the recent comments from Doreen Virtue As I had really believed in her and followed her work. I was worried that I had not been helping people as I thought. I feel happier having read your thoughts
I’m glad that the article helped you, Kathryn. We do have gifts and we are here to help others, no matter what any of our one-time teachers might believe.
Kind regards and blessings,
Yes agreed. Personally I always felt some uneasiness with her the moment I set eyes on her years ago when I used to buy Spirit & Destiny magazine. I think she dabbled with the Cabal I’m guessing she used Adrenochrome or something and is now having
Some serious repercussions.
I believe Doreen has fell off her path. Yes, we all have a destiny and through God’s help when asked of him or His Angels, we can remain on our correct journey in this life. She needs our love. I will pray and ask the Angels to go to her and lift the veil that has her eyes and spirit closed.
Yes, she has a Religious Spirit aka Spirit of religion mentioned in Revelation 3. That belongs to Satan not Jesus. She also is being brainwashed by the antisemitic fundamentals. She refuses to listen to the Messianic Jewish Believers in Jesus. The Bible is grossly misunderstood and mistranslated by Christians. She ranted on Facebook about soul ties not being biblical. I proved they are, in the Torah, the Jewish Bible and this belief is rooted in Judaism, She deleted abd blocked me. That’s good old fashioned Antisemitism the oldest hatred, and this false prophets is now working inside Christian circles which is exactly where Satan continues to crucify Christ in the Christians with the false counterfeit Religious Spirit. Doreen took the bait, she’s spreading alot of disinformation, puffing herself up as some Bible expert, when she’s still a baby Christian. God hates Antisemitism, she can repeat all she wants of tarot cards and angels but her heart is not right towards the Jewish Jesus and His people. Totally unenlightened there!
I was thinking of doing that too. I didn’t ‘follow’ her as such (something just didn’t resonate with her for me) but I enjoy her meditations. However, I came to the conclusion that she did channel a lot of good stuff over the years and her conversion (For whatever reason) does not negate Spiritual reality. Christianity ,like all religions, is an artificial construct. So Doreen has bought into an artificial construct (nothing less , nothing more).
To allow ourselves to be ‘hurt’ or even ‘doubtful’ of our own beliefs / intuitive knowledge because of her conversion suggests that some people may have given her way too much power and turned her into their guru (Angel goddess?). Trust yourself first. She was only putting out there what many people have done. She isn’t the first to work with Angels ( Diana Cooper is a lovely gentle teacher) and she won’t be the last. I wish DV well on her new path as I continue to follow my chosen spiritual path. There is a lesson here for all of us. Follow a teaching but don’t give away your own power…
The catholic church comes from satan. There are many videos on the subject that explain this statement I just made.
Thanks for your comment, Mary. I don’t personally believe in Satan, though.
Have a great day!
Many don’t believe the earth is round, some do not believe in gravity. Just because you don’t “believe” something doesn’t make it untrue. I don’t think anyone wants to believe they may end up in hell…just food for thought.
Thank you for your concern about my immortal soul, Proncess. Still going to stay with my own beliefs.
Eh NO it doesn’t. Pontiff comes from St. Peter ‘s line.
This is what happens when you put your faith in man and not God. Man will deceive you, God WILL NOT. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all his righteousness shall be added unto you. Repent Repent Repent from your sins. You will find forgiveness and belonging in Jesus Christ.
No thank you. I’ll keep on being nice and positive and connected with nature.
You do you. I’ll do me.
I understand your anger I would be in the same place, because I also bougth all the Doreen virtue courses and books.
I used to do tarot readings but one day a frind of mine talk to me about Jesus I prayed and invited Jesus in my life and heart.
-See! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
So I prayed I didnt think it was bad to pray because Doreen had prayers in her cards so I did.
The very next day someone asked me for a reading and I couldnt just couldnt.
So I learned for what is said in Acts 16: 16 that a divination spirit was cast away from me.
That day I got rid away of every card, book cristals and surrender my life to Jesus. It was January 29 2017
I know its disapointing for you whats happened to Doreen, but its true.
I’ve never thougth I would give upmy cards or cristals or everything but what I’ve found in Jesus is greater than that.
If you want to continue with that its your choice but I ask you to pray and ask Jesus to reveal itself to you , ask him if he is real and ask him to show you the truth.
God Bless you.
I’m not angry. Honestly, it just saddens me that someone who once encouraged inclusion and understanding and even learning about different deities now calls everything from yoga to unicorns evil. Personally, I think Christianity isn’t for me, but thank you for your prayers and concerns.
Blessings to you, too.
I have been following Doreen Virtue for years and too am saddened by the “fear based” things that she is spewing out. I don’t know what has happened to her but, my hope is that she is being true to her spirit. I can’t judge nor will I. Something seems very off.
That’s what a lot of people have been saying. It’s strange to hear her speak now.
She was attacked by demons same time as me. It was elite powers who warned us both to stop loving at the intent which we did. She ran in fear. I ran in shock. This has led to people in shock and lacking trust in love. What we need to do is still love intensely and still heal thousands more.
Interesting! I agree we need to love more and trust, instead of fear and judge!
Her behaviour is that of someone who has been badly bitten. She’s been psychic ally attacked as you say.
Instead of learning to draw boundaries and raise her vibration ,she has shut down completely and her ego has taken over.
It’s sad. But it’s her path. She needs prayers .
You can see the horror in her eyes.
But it happens to very psychic people and its about learning to deal with it and to raise your vibration higher.
She does need prayers. I wonder if she was psychically attacked, as you say, or if this is the result of some grand marketing scheme that others have devised for her. I know that she likely had some huge obligations with Hay House (she released like 8 courses in a year or something like that and didn’t fully support them).
Anyhow. Yep – praying for her, but moving on to work on changing the world with love!
The major problem is that …. what if you were going the wrong way on the wrong side of the freeway of “life?!!?” THAT is what she discovered. My friend Cerina worked with the ascended masters. She chose to work with “Master Jesus”, because he was the only one out of ALL of them who laid his life down ( sacrificed himself ) for his follower’s inadequacies!!!
Then, she began to attend a Bible believing blood-claiming church.
The spirits within her tried to keep their composure, but they simply COULD NOT STAND the spirit that was in that church!!! They would also give her a fierce headache every time she would read the Bible.
You know, it’s fascinating how many people ( atheist skeptics and witches included ) suddenly fold their hands and pray to God the instant they think that the plane is going down!!! If you are a young buck ( or “doe” ), I can understand you getting into witchcraft or something similar. You’ve got your health, your sexuality, and your entire life ahead of you!!! ( Unless you get killed , somehow ). But by the age of 50 ( !!!! ), you begin to question the paths you have chosen. You realize your own mortality. You feel your body ache and you get a series of health conditions, which further awaken you to one undeniable truth; Sooner or later, that body of yours ( the safe-harbor of your spirit ) is going to “give you up!!!“ Friend, it will be THEN, that you will know whether or not you picked the right path!!! I’m sorry, but, well,…
It is what it IS. A person in the occult finds out ( upon arriving on the other side) that reality is damn HARSH, it pulls no punches, and it does not CARE about any faulty notions he or she may have had!!! It is what it IS, and if your spirit guides were lying to you, … well…
See, dear. This is all the FEAR, judgment, God is a wrathy entity who is going to get you if you tried to be the best person you could with the help of Angels that makes me wonder.
I’m 47 and just realized that the whole, “Father, Son, Holy Spirit” Amen prayer thing just didn’t fit for me any longer. I’m facing my morality. And I’m not ready to give in to this ideology that I have to fear connecting with God myself or in a different way that Christians do.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point? But God(dess) is love in mine.
Blessings to you!
Jesus fuck stop making shite up. She didn’t find god. The IRS audited her arse for not paying taxes and questions were raised as to where all the money went in her animal rescue in Hawaii as the animals had to be removed and it shut down. She ditched the whole network most likely because the irs were starting to look at numbers of members to work out her income via their levels and year of registration from her courses. Suddenly she declared the whole thing evil. Fought with hay house to lose records and shifted into a cheaper area. I attended two courses of hers she couldn’t do readings to save herself I met some really lovely people but realised it was the reiki not her secret information that I was attracted to. She’s all about money her born again is just her new gig.
Are you sure about that, or perpetuating gossip? I only know what I do.
I met a LOAD of fabulous people at her events as well. They are the reason I write these – or helping others like them.
Thanks for your response!
Fascinating…I had that intuitive sense it may be a marketing ploy. Regardless, it pays to follow not any supposed “expert”, but your own heart regarding spirit. Boom!
She has some issues with fear. When you look at her new videos you can clearly sense that something’s wrong with her. She’s full of judgement and is acting like someone who want’s to save the world from the sin. Only God knows what’s really happening in her mind. But that’s her life and her choice and that’s it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Praying for you ladies — may the veil of deception be lifted from your eyes. I also went through what Doreen did. And was saved from the very, very deceptive world of new age belief. The bible is God’s living word. If only you’d take this post seriously and find out for yourselves. Instead of gossiping and judging, perhaps you would seek out a bible and read for yourself. The gospel message is that Jesus Christ came to live a sinless life. He then died in exchange for all sin and was resurrected. All those who believe in this, will have eternal life. But we must turn away from false teachings ..which is the devil’s way to take humans to hell. Hell is real. Its eternal separation from God, the creator of the world. God is not an energy field, and the angels you are talking to are the fallen angels that fell with Satan. They are also known as demons. What you are doing is very dangerous. I know, b/c I used to do all of it. I was very into flower essences and plant Spirit medicine… I became certified etc….come to find out I was on the path straight to hell. Jesus saved me and I finally began to understand the Truth of this reality when I began reading the bible. Please know that I care about you enough to write this in hopes you will accept the gift of grace yourself. Ask him to guide you…. seek God through his word (Holy Bible). It’s all you’ve been searching for.
“Since by one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man (Adam), how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.” -Romans 5:17
Thank you for your prayers. I see things completely differently than you do. I’ll pray for you too.
Mmmmmmm, no. But thanks. Any group that believes that they alone have the “inside track” to finding GodGoddess within is limited. Our Divinity is innate, it is our birthright, it is free. I do not need a savior, a priest, or any other sort of self righteous intermediary. Please save your condensending “prayers”.
I take full responsibility for lifting my own veils.
The Christian life is about faith, repentance, forsaking sin. new age beliefs cannot deal with evil – because you deny sin in yourself and others, you will be unable to see when you have been in error and need to repent. You become your own god. So many broken relationships because peoples hearts are filled with selfishness instead of faithfulness and perseverance through suffering and trial. Sin looks good, looks “healthy” – but inside it can so ugly and filled with hypocritical pride. On top of that it answers no questions about where we came from other than to claim implausibly that everything has always been. I pray for all those reading this blog to know the truth that will set you free. God is a loving and kind God, the most powerful Spirit out there – the real Jesus is more powerful than all these demonic entities that give you false visions and led you down to sin, selfishness, spiritual bondage.
Hebrews 11:24–26 (KJV 1900): By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; 25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Hebrews 12:11 (KJV 1900): Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
When the sin is being born in the first place, I have to question the book that tells us that.
Funny that you’ve left so many comments and mentioned that I am proud and unswayable—on my blog. It seems to be a mirror of your own opinions and way of communicating.
But thanks for taking the time to comment!
But this was all the time like this- Ti Breaht with Earth and Life IS the true Life- but she allways was playing with all those “Energys”- it was’nt real. Now she is showing her Face- Im glad that Im found all this post now- per rendom. 🙂 .
She put the People away from A REAL way of Angels and Ferries and so on. Now we see it it is true- and I’m realy glad to reading this…..
Nice to hear from you.
“When the sin is being born in the first place, I have to question the book that tells us that.”
No, I do not think this is an accurate statement of what I believe. We all have a sin nature i.e., a propensity of the flesh to sin. Romans 7:18.
That entire chapter is a beautiful chapter because you see that Christianity is a liberation from the flesh – from our sinful natures, because Jesus Christ being in the form of God became ‘obedient unto death’.
What Christianity is fundamentally about is acknowledging we cannot ‘save ourselves’.
Death to self… Some gurus do talk about this but who has died for their followers?
I make no comment about heaven or hell, a lot of that stuff was added on by well-meaning religious people.
Was this helpful? God bless you and may He save us 🙂
I totally agree… she has become very negative after getting converted. I wonder whether it was an evil energy that influenced her or whether she was brainwashed by one of those fanatics. I saw her videos on yoga and reiki and she has totally misunderstood Hinduism which is not in essence pantheistic as the original holy scriptures claim only one god who created the brahmand ( universe). The different God forms and names are there to embody different aspects of God and a Hindu can choose to worship any of their choice. I also agree with you about Catholic churches having idols. Also she’s seeing things in absolutes… if it’s not God it has to be the devil. Can’t there be anything else? Is she so omniscient? Why can’t reiki be an energy created by God? After all, it has positive effects. I really miss the old Doreen. She has become one of those ‘Christians’ whom I used to dislike.
Catholic church is NOT about idols. It gives honour to God’s holy mother. Idols worship today lies more on materialism and money.
My feeling is she realized there is A LOT more MONEY to be made hawking Christianity than there is “New Age” Spirituality. I always felt she was all about the money and she still is.
A LOT of people feel the same, Bea. I guess we have to see how things progress in order to truly understand. Until then, we can still work with the angels and try to create as much good in the world as we can.
Doreen should also change her fake name to her birth name whatever that might be since Virtue is no longer her strong suit. Doreen Opportunist #fakechristian would be more appropriate. It would be one thing is she quietly chose to become a Christian but her total betrayal of her followers and unreal Evangelical Ramblings on the evils of everything from Angels to Yoga are what really make her a cold and heartless b word. She just wants to be Paula White or Benny Hinn (those two devout Christians had an affair) and start a Christian Church so she doesn’t have to pay taxes. Apparently her vision of Jesus occurred around the time the IRS came down on her for an audit and it didn’t go too well.
I’ve heard that from a few people, Bea – that her rebirth was directly linked to tax issues. Sad, really. She was raking in the cash and must have managed it very poorly to be in such a state.
Thank you for your insight.
My take on it is she’s a very imbalanced person. She went from one extreme to another. It’s ok to take hits and pieces of what you believe and be your own person. She seems very ungrounded and extreme to me. There are parts of new age I don’t agree with and make me uncomfortable and some I think have helped me. Same with religion some parts I agree with some I feel people become to extreme. Some Christian talk to me is inspiring but I generally do nondenominational churches because the moment it gets to judge and fear based im out of there. That’s not the unconditionally loving god I know.
I totally agree with your comment Bea, and right from the very first time I looked at pictures of her, and saw how many Angel Decks, courses, TV appearances and tours she did, that she was in it for the money, call it gut instinct but I just felt so strongly she was a shrewd business woman who knew how to milk peoples need to find a deeper sense of spirituality.
I have only just started watching some of her YouTube videos that go against the ‘new age’ life. I find it so interesting that now she has seen the ‘light’ she hasn’t taken her old work off the shelf and is still accepting money from her books and cards etc. of you were so adamant the your former work is from the devil you would stop production on it yeah?
One would think, right Lola?
Sigh. It’s such an interesting topic, but we all have to walk our own path, right?
Sue ,Thank you for your article.
I have for some reason only just discovered Dooreens. Change of faith. And was feeling very confused. I have collected a few of her books over time . Listened to her on hay house radio and done the meditations.she was always the first person I would think of when I thought of angels . Your words and the comments of other people have brought me comfort Thank you.
No she doesn’t she said that her editor should give it to charity. But which charity? I do not think it is a fake conversion. I think she really saw Jesus Christ but after she seems to have taken a very strange path. Let the unicorns rest in peace.
I’ve only recently seen this new Doreen. I have some of her books but even in her YouTube’s she doesn’t seem to understand a lot of new age concepts that she’s denouncing. Saying meeting your twin flame is a pipe dream, you think you’ll both never argue. All a twin flame is the same soul divided and reconnected. That doesn’t automatically mean harmony. Also she was saying it’s better to be unhappy because God can help you and only god. In conversation with another lady they were saying how Christ is the only relationship is no need for a partner. How does the human race survive without procreation. It’s all quite surreal tbh. And anyone that uses the Thoth tarot knows it’s isn’t sunbeams and rainbows. Aside from that you’ve got all the science guys Gregg braden , joe dispenza creating “miracles” illegally with er breathwork and feeling positive emotions.
So breathing and feeling good demonic? Sounds like she was indoctrinated into a very culty new age movement and now is in the church.
Aside from all that Kaballah has always taught the polarities of dark and light.
I’m not sure where I’m going with this other than she seems troubled now.
Agreed…. I don’t see why she couldn’t continue with her faith and include jesus… because we’re all one… like she first taught us…
From the New Age to the Dark Ages! Not sure why Doreen felt the need to become a Fundamentalist, think it has something to do with Ego. A quote from the masterful Richard Rohr, on the rise of fundamentalism in Christianity speaks to this beautifully,
“Fundamentalism refuses to listen to the deep levels of mythic, metaphorical, and mystical meaning. It is obsessed with literalism and exclusion. The egoic need for clarity and certitude leads fundamentalists to use sacred writings in a mechanical, closed-ended, and quite authoritarian manner. The ego rarely asks real questions and,”etc.
I appreciate your addressing these questions, as I loved studying with Doreen and reading her books. I have stopped following her , still use all the card decks I bought from her business, and have moved on. Her change felt like a downgrade, as choice in how you connect to Spirit is not supported by her now. I understand this aspect of people, as I get this judgement from family and friends. Namaste SiStar! ❤
I love your post, I did Doreens Angel Intuitive course on a cruise. In a way though it was still fear based. Lecturing us on not eating meat, dairy, drinking coffee or consuming 1 drop of alcohol. It was very much about telling you off for being human and she had all the answers. Like you I loved her books. Thought she was wonderful. Once I met her I found her teaching dangerous. Qualifying people to be angel intuitive who could give readings influencing people’s lives in a major way,. She came across as egotistical and cold. I’m a UK accredited medium and worked very hard to be where I am. Found her teaching disturbing so wouldn’t trust anything she says. However she has been a powerful influence who has made considerable money out of innocent , loving, caring people with big hearts. Thank you for you sensible and honest words it was refreshing to read Blessings
Thank you for your reply, Kerry-Marie!
I had a lot of the same feelings about Doreen after volunteering for her. Teaching about working with the angels IS a great honor, and I have seen that the angels often meet people where they are, not requiring any sort of dietary perfection or worrying about how caffeinated a person is! I felt like those teachings actually made it harder for some to connect.
But yes, like you, I got so much out of her teachings – even the fact that the angels are always around us and we only have to open up to connect with them.
Thank you for your comment!
Kind regards and blessings!
What I find interesting about her A to Z list it doesn’t properly address Ouija boards which are the most dangerous demonic tool of all and yet she says stay away from Sage which is a sacred herb and known to clear negative energies.
I am distressed by those who wish to be rid of DV’s cards, books, etc.? Why? They resonated with you at one point, why can’t they continue to do so? Why can’t we agree to take what we need and if DV’s current teachings do not align with our current beliefs then let that go.
All I’m saying is she believe it’s all demonic now why is her work and book still up for purchases. She contradicts herself because she still gets paid for work and book and cards that people still buying today.
I’m disappointed in Doreen too and not every Catholic has turned their back on Angel and Spiritualism. Actually the 2 can compliment one another!
She shouldn’t be allowed to sell her franchise then if she doesn’t believe anymore .. or is it the fact she now is financially well off and going with her current husbands beliefs?
My youngest will be completing her third sacrament this year (confirmation)… where the Holy Spirit comes down and completes her journey to God… does she realise who the Holy Spirit is … angel of god … In spirit form!!
I think Doreen is taking the fundamentalist, Pentecostal and evangelical approach to Christianity, which is quite strict. It sounds like she has been convicted by the Holy Spirit to abide in the Lord, and I believe you’re right in her feeling guilt about promoting something she once believed in but no longer does. I don’t blame her nor am I disappointed in her. She’s following her beliefs and if it leaves her spiritual community bereft, that’s not on her. They need to find their own way. If one person causes them to feel that unstable in their spirituality, maybe Doreen is on to something, and their spirituality isn’t strong enough to be sustainable.
Very interesting point, Jeannie. Thank you for the response!
I’ve had a pretty good look at Doreen and her new found faith, she’s far from speaking in a place of fear, she’s very confident and concerned for her past influences that she believes are contrary to th3 teachings of the bible. I too have become born again and now clearly see the error is spiritual Idolatry. One God , one way and it’s His way, it’s got nothing to do of “ how you interpret the bible”, it’s really clear and simple. Jesus Christ is “the way, the truth, the life”, .
Doreen is helping a lot of people and she is a very loving and genuine Christian.
Doreen’ s comment on teaching and as a woman, remembering not to step over the mark and being beneath men I find ridiculous. Why is she agreeing with this?
She made a lot of money out of people based on her new age spiritually cards books etc, then ridiculed it and us. Can we ask for refunds and see how truly Christian she is then?
A lot of people did ask for refunds. Of course, that is your perogative, should you choose to seek it.
Kind regards and blessings to you,
Has it ever crossed your mind that Doreen might be just looking for another way to make money. I mean she must have run out of things to say on the new age topic. Being a famous new age author seeing the LIGHT with new controversial material to write about could be a winner for someone like Doreen. Some might say it is typical charlatan behavior moving the goal posts like that. However I am not going to be judgemental and despite her record assume this is just another way of selling books as she seems to keep chopping and changing her story on the Jesus vision thing. She could really have converted to Christianity (I mean in her heart) in which case I think she should continue to tell her story but without selling books that would profit her. Personally I have had similar experiences in the past to Doreen, and recently converted back to Christianity after finding out Reiki Healing was dangerous. Just to further confirm this to me I found this from Wikipedia page on Reiki:
Besides the usual Sino-Japanese pronunciation reiki, these kanji 霊気 have an alternate Japanese reading, namely ryōge, meaning “demon; ghost” (especially in spirit possession).[
My opinion now is to follow the word of God and just accept that in this world if we haven’t connected with the Holy Spirit then we are vunerable to being mislead and misleading others. We all have a choice, but I don’t believe that all paths lead to the same place so to speak. So be careful which path you tread, because some may look good to start with but you might find that they come to a sudden and abrupt end and you look down to see a bottomless pit beneath your feet, and no way to turn back, only way is down, down, deeper and down. Scaaaaaaaaaaary!
I was shocked when I read her blog and was grateful that Sue helped me put it back into perspective. I grew up Jewish and spent 5 years from 2010 – 2015 studying and journaling the Bible while heavily involved with my Church and found that Jesus was a great teacher and mentor – a wonderful tether and resource to build and maintain a relationship with God. I also felt strongly connected to him in prayer and still do. However, I left my church and went on my own. A friend turned me on to Doreen Virtue’s Angel cards 2 years ago and I have devised my own system to engage God, Jesus and the Angels through her resources. I have never felt more secure and trusting of my resources that help keep me tethered to God. I am sorry she has denounced her earlier teachings, because I have found her resources to be really powerful. Yes, I have dabbled in Buddha recently as well through Thich Nat Han and my own “singing” bowl. I now use Reiki – like methods to pull cards (angel and Tarot) following prayer and always clear the air with my singing bowl. I am grateful for my new rituals and will not change regardless of what she says and does… 🙂
Thanks for your comment, Peter. I actually think that there are a variety of different ways that people can worship the energy of God that aren’t filled with the judgment that Christianity entails.
To each their own. And we all have to face our Maker as individuals.
Kind regards and blessings to you!
Thanks! I was stunned when D.V. did this turnaround… heard all kinds of stories about why…
But here we are in 2020 and she has a new b$$k coming out. For me, ’nuff said, considering the judgmental attitude she took when she gave up all she did before.
A friend who is a psychic medium professionally told me that the old Doreen “stepped out” and another “stepped in”. This explains a lot.
Ohhh! Interesting theory! Thank you for sharing, Donna!
I dont agree with the new Doreen at all. How could something as healthy as Yoga be evil ? You can practice Yoga without saluting a Sun God. Doreen is off her rocker. I won’t even read anything she posts and I still get her notices.
I know what you mean, Gretchen. It’s like vilifying anything remotely connected to deepening your spiritual and health-related practices because it doesn’t fit the Christian narrative.
Thank you for commenting!
Indeed, Doreen is a bit of a zealot on this new path. And, as I’ve posted on her FB page, Jesus was an enlightened man and in no way connected to the religion that has been created around his name. The other thing, the Bible is a work of fiction, reworked to fit the politics of the times. I’ve had a visit from Jesus I’ve also had the Dalai Lama come to me in my meditation and other enlightened teachers. I welcome them all, working for the highest good of all. So I figured this us just another way for Doreen to find a new audience. She can’t be taken seriously. Her blogs are a bit crackpot in their meaning and I just think it’s in her character, in her nature, to do this. I’m not a huge fan of all of her past work but I do know many people gained a lot from her work. Satan is not some evil outside ourselves, it’s the untamed mind left to its own devices.
I agree Remember always we are all students …..Do not abandon one another …Doreen is a good woman and that is the truth x
Doreen should be seen as a genuine testimony for someone who has always believed in New Age practices & was led to Jesus. She is not bashing anyone, it is important for her to share all the deceptions of New Age. Although New Age promotes positivity, healing, etc. there is a slippery slope and that is what she shares by explaining why it’s wrong. She did not study the Bible before and lacked understanding which many do. We are suppose to have faith in God to lead us in our purpose, and not depend on ourselves for guidance. The Devil is the MASTER of deception and he knows the right tools to lead us away from our Father in Heaven. I think anyone that has put time & energy into New Age, should put time in too studying the Bible. How can you truly understand something, if you’ve never tried to understand. I would rather try to know God and be wrong, than not know God and all his glory…he loves us unconditionally & wants us all to be saved!
The Christian Bible has been altered and used as a tool for controlling the masses for a long time. And, quite honestly, a lot of Christians aren’t living up to the messages and rules laid out in the Bible, anyway. Look at the US right now, or the Inquisitions, or the burning of ‘witches’, or the pedofilia in the Catholic Church, etc. I could go on, but you get what I am saying.
Saying that people in the New Age movement haven’t studied the Bible is quite judgmental of you. Many have. Many were raised in Christian homes, and many found that the teachings of the Church and the Bible were not their way to lead a good, kind, gentle life.
Our ‘Father’ in heaven. Where’s the Mother? Why isn’t love and kindness the goal? Why is there so much judgment and condemnation of others? Negating other belief systems? Destruction of nature?
I’ll pass on the Bible studies, thank you.
Sorry, but you are very mistaken about the Christian Bible being altered. Do your research before advertising false information please. If you come back saying you have done your research I know immediately that would not be true. Because if you did, you would not have arrived to your misleading opinion. The Christian community has many divisions, and like all religions or faiths there are false people among them. satan makes his appearance even among the Christians. Actually especially among the Christians. We pose a greater threat then unbelievers do to his evil ways and he deceives and betrays in order to lead people away from the one true God. A true Christian has a steady ongoing willingness to learn Gods Word and study historical facts, but some Christians do not do that. So they wear the title of being a Christian but do not practice it. There is No mother, it is God. I feel so sad for all people that arrive to an opinion without truly researching and studying historical facts. Many Christians have studied the Word of God for many years and are still loyal followers of Jesus Christ our Savior. Yet some of you have reached a conclusion by skimming the Bible or completely misunderstanding the scriptures or being offended when you read something that goes against your personal opinion of what truth is. “Gods truth, not mankind’s”. But many in my experience are not willing to know the truth and that is satans biggest lie and as I said above, this makes me so sad. May God have mercy on all you that are being deceived. God Bless you all and please understand the importance of your beliefs. A little tidbit for you unbelievers. The Bible talks about how you are being deceived and how it happens and why your unwilling to worship the creator of the universe. God almighty wishes you all to turn to Him. Give the true God a chance before alienating Him. As you would want your children to do for you. He does not force you because perfect love is not forceful. You do have free will, choice. Bless you all and hope someone will be curious enough to research the truth and cut through the lies. There is a lot of that on line and with in our circle of peoples. One must pray for Gods truth and do it diligently.
Actually, Elaine, it’s well and commonly known that the Bible has been translated and interpreted several times in the past. Parts have been left out, others ‘polished’ for a purpose.
Anyway. It seems like you might be the one who is offended by a differing opinion.
The Creator made all kinds of beliefs and all kinds of peoples. To assert the idea that YOURS is the only true and proper interpretation of the mysteries of the Universe is a bit.. biased.
Wishing you the best.
There are so many beautiful, graceful paths to the Divine. One does not discount the other. Inclusive rather than divisive is a road paved with humility. I am fortunate to be in a doctoral program focused on Multi-faith Spiritual Direction. What a gift to be learning alongside the Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, Hindi as we all strive to see Spirit in the faces of all.
Well said! 🙂
Sue, I am not at all offended. Peace be with you and many blessings. I am making corrections. Your opinion isn’t accurate. Do research on the history of Bible translating and the types of changes that were made and why. This is not something that you should develop a strong opinion on without doing thorough research first. And it cannot be done in one day. I believe because I put time into cutting through all the same doubts you had and then I arrived at my belief. There is much study that goes into it. I did it because of my love for God and His truth. It is not something to be lazy with. Ask and keep on asking and it will be given to you; seek and keep on seeking and you will find; knock and keep on knocking and the door will be opened to you. You have to care who God says He is first. We do not tell God who He is. He tells us. God does not owe us anything, We owe Him. He is love, and He is just. He is not whoever you want Him to be. Again peace be with you. Stay safe and enjoy your day.
No time to go round and round about it.
Peace be with you. May all of our gods, no matter what faith or religion we follow, be kind and merciful.
Sue, I am sure you are well-intentioned, but you really do not get it and are stating falsehoods about the Bible. J. Warner Wallace (Cold Case Christianity) can help you clear up your misunderstandings. The American Gospel documentaries are also worth watching for a better understanding of what Christianity is.
I wish you the best.
Not interested, but thank you!
I wish you the best as well.
Sue, Thank you for reading and responding even to those who disagree. I hope you see that you are the one passing judgment on Christians instead of being open minded to facts being presented. You are full of pride inside about your spiritual path and journey and you are unwilling to concede the possibility you are wrong. One can believe the Bible is the word of God while agreeing that certain parts were altered (which is not much, and to be open to discovering what has changed) but ultimately to read with the Holy Spirit dwelling in you so it can illuminate your heart and mind with truth. Many Christians are a horrible example of Christians. Many new agers are nice people outside but they are fair weather friends. You never know. Nobody is sinless except for Jesus Christ – that is the point! He is our model to strive after. God bless. May we be edified in this exchange.
Thank you for sharing your opinions, Lila. Blessed be.
Doreen Virtue has lost her mind.Christians are some of the biggest hypercrits on the planet!! Not to mention judgemental.How dare you judge people the way you do.also, I thought vanity was a sin!?!? I can hardly tell all the botox and filler you are using on your face! And why is the comment section on your blogs always shut off? What is the matter? you want to dish it out but you are not ready for the onslaught rebuttal?
Go right ahead, Lori.
I keep my comments open on this thread.
Great comment, I also think so that Doreen does not demonstrate Jesus demokratic posture and acceptance. Im really surprised when I listen to her. As I see she was obviously not mature and elingthened teacher in new age but just good businesswoman. Or Im wrong, I dont know but such nonsenses which she project.
I don’t have a problem with DV converting to Christianity. The thing I don’t understand is that she says do not idolatry crystals and her cards when she is doing the same with the bible. I don’t see a difference
It’s hard for a person to wrap their head around, for sure. I agree, Chrissie.
Thank you for your comment!
I have messagedher direct abd spoke from my heart .
I said you sound brainwashed and its okay if you are born again .
Crusifix saved my life against psychosis i saw the devil prayer got rid of it but i also see the future in my dreams i am a natural celtic healer … i said jesus does not want this scaring people thus is the work of the elite and satan …. to stop light workers .
I said i would like a refund .
I am not going to let all the money doreen has made to pay for this mordern day witch hunt
Thank you for writing about this. Christ spoke to trees, turned water into wine, made 5 loaves into thousands, raise the dead and made people see again…which magic or shamanic healing school did he go to.
Doreen should do more research to find out if Christ even existed and if the bible stories are compromised. There is no archaeological evidence up todate Christ existed. But there was an Egyptian story or figure who is similar to the Christ figure 1000 or more years before Christ. There’s more evidence the Romans created the Christ story during take over of Egypt to help manage the people… give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.
What were the Romans doing in Egypt taking obelisks while their saviour was born 200 miles away in Jerusalem.
There is more evidence coming out that the Egyptian pharaohs were the kings described in the bible.
That the bible has stories stolen from the Egyptians to create an empire.
We are in the age where we question everything cause nothing can be trusted except the light within that guides us through.
Lorraine of Ra
Oh! Very interesting information. Thank you for sharing, Lorraine!
Could you share some links so I could take a look at the references? There is similar information about the Romans creating Christ to control the ‘heathens’ in Europe as well.
Read her book. Deceived no more. Then you will understand.
Thank you, Phillip. Any chance it’s free on PDF or Amazon Unlimited. It’s safe to say that I probably won’t be giving her any more $$$—and neither will many of the people who commented on this post.
After making millions of dollars pushing her angel work Doreen virtue changes sides. I was never a follower, I never liked her work, sorry, so I wasn’t surprised to see this flip flop. Did Doreen burchu tell anyone that when she divorced Stephen farmer she was ordered to pay him $35000 a month in alimony? There are lots of secrets in this woman’s life, many of them very unpleasant. I think we can write Doreen virtue off as A disingenuous and phony and phony practitioner who should not be believed about anything. Anyone who can promote a body of work for decades and then turn around and call it blasphemy has a problem.
It is like her spirit has been taken over and something dark has control of her because she speaks in he sane time and passion just the complete opposite of what I looked up to her for. I unfortunately have to delete her and I really don’t know what to think with her books here on my shelves. do I keep them, what did she do with her books and cards?Were they written by her or is this the real her? Love always wins so I think her loving spirit has been hypnotised, something is definitely changed. I’m so confused.
Sorry you feel confused, Amanda. Honestly, I’ve kept all of my books and decks. They helped me along on my own path and I appreciate what I learned from them.
Hope that helps!
Totally agree. In her recent posts she subjectively uses bible passages to condemn others. This is certainly not what the bible is meant for. She is just increasing the segregation that religion already causes around the world. Disgusting behaviour
As part of a metaphysical community, the word judgement is always seen as a negative practice but this is coming from a place of observation rather than judgment. I have noticed that through the years Doreen Virtue has presented herself in the past as a New Age celebrity or persona and each time she would promote herself and her products which would include several tarot decks, it would almost be as if she took on a new personality and she would change her physical appearance to match. Her hair would change from golden blonde to platinum and would wear Celtic themed flowing tunics to promote Pagan themes that would match the folklore of her new tarot sets and the products that she would promote with that theme at that time. As she took on the role of a stern Christian, she has changed her appearance to a severe looking, conservatively dressed dark brunette not far away from Dana Carvey’s church lady character and now promotes Christian tarot sets looking like a Saturday Night Live character or parody. I dont think that is a coincidence and it does match her previous behavior. The possibility of a mental health issue is there giving the severity of her stern condemnation of her own former ideas and beliefs. If it would have been coming from a place of discovery or a change of heart, it would have been presented with either a personal experience , a calling or embracing a new idea. What comes now from her is a new character with different mannerisms a different look, sharing condemnations and fear based ideas as if becoming a new Doreen with a different look and personality. Something is very off and I suspect a mental health problem as well.
Thanks for the insights, I agree on the mental health issues Doreen might have. We live in trying times. I started my spiritual journey with Reiki and Doreen’s books and card decks but it didn’t help me with my depression because it blended out all the darkness surrounding us, the lies, the deception, the half truths and the oppression.
I have done a lot of shadow work and seeked those spiritual teachings that don’t negate evilness and the darkness within ourselves that are often the outcome of traumatic childhood issues and dysfunctional family systems. I had therapy for years but also did my spiritual work.
I think that Doreen has never tackled her childhood trauma on a deeper level. Her success was her greatest antagonist because it kept her from asking important questions. She was always too busy for that, success, money and fame working like a drug. The IRS hunting her which resulted in other things going out of hand stopped that drug, success which she was addicted to IMO.
Churning out so many books and card decks was what me put off her work after some time. I found that strange and alarming.
People with a personality disorder can often be alluring to the masses, that’s why we have such rotten leading figures world wide.
Doreen knows how to perform, what is or was ever true about her will continue to be a mystery.
I disposed of all her card decks and books. After her conversion they seemed tarnished to me. Anyway, I had not used them for a long time. Not knowing about her turn to fundamental Christianity I had stopped using her work at the end of 2016.
Now I know why.
There ‘s a lot of delusion in organized religion as well as in New Age beliefs. Everything costs money. To be part of a spiritual Group you always have to have money.
Due to the pandemic and resulting health issues(not Corona, the effects of Lockdowns in my case)I have to retire much earlier than anticipated and I can’t participate in New Age Groups anymore because I lack the money for it. That says everything about the movement.
It should have brought us together but that is not the case. Materialism, the Kali Yug permaneates everything.
Doreen has fallen into the trap, we all have, one way or the other.
The question is how to build a world on love and community instead of money and success.
New Age hasn’t given me any real friends, the moment people notice you don’t have any money to spend on their products and work shops they lose interest.
So Doreen is partly right with her critique yet I doubt her solution is the answer.
Her Lord and Saviour seems like a narcisstic tyrant. All monotheistic religion are about patriarchy and totalitarism. Not my cup of tea.
Thanks, Sue, for giving me a platform to share my grief about Doreen. She seems like the symptom of a global disease and Covid is the physical manifestation of a mental and spiritual problem society on a global scale has.
I just read Doreen’s recent blog post, not having been previously aware of her conversion. Mindfulness being the work of the devil or demons? Not much rationality there or in the entire post. I also noticed that all the comments for her post are in enthusiastic agreement. No dissension allowed.
I have found Doreen’s previous work very healing over the years. I had, however, noticed that she seemed, from reading her books, to be veering more and more into fantasy and maybe personal instability.
Also, each time she re-marries, she seems to have a husband that mirrors her current emotional status and beliefs.
I had already been somewhat divorcing the healing effects of her work from what I perceived her personal status to be. Now, however, it will be much harder to consider how to work with the books, card decks and CD’s that have hitherto been so special. I am not sure how much I will be able to continue to use, as I am sure many others are too.
So sad that Doreen is now in a place of fear, blame, judgement and even hostility.
At least, while Googling about her conversion after reading her post, I found your website. A distinct positive.
I couldn’t agree more and am sadly thinking of getting rid of her books which I previously held so dear. Her meditations really helped me on my spiritual path at the beginning. Now I avoid them. It’s such a shame but I won’t let it question my beliefs.
I absolutely agree! Thanks for this, Sue. I feel a little like some of us need therapy since she’s been on her new, narrow minded path. It’s a little gut wrenching. But, as you say, we can’t give in to the fear she is promoting. We light-workers must carry on our Heavenly missions!
Yes, Dena. All of this, from her first “demonization of tarot” a big blow to many who studied with her. This big list of everything is both a relief (she slid off the deep end) and worrying.
You are right also. We must carry on!
Great post, Sue. I think Doreen has gone off the rails. She doesn’t make sense and sounds irrational. I think we’ll learn later that there are mental health issues here.
It is really “off”. She might be suffering from some sort of mental illness. It does seem like it.
What a judgemental assertion.
Care to elaborate, Noneya?
I had the same thought. I never believed in everything she preached, some of her teachings seemed like works of a hallucinating mind, but l sensed she was a well intentioned being who had the gift of clairvoyance. I believe she had a complete mental breakdown, somehow her mind spun everything around and blamed new age for her pain. She would need psychotherapy, but her new fragmented persona would call therapy the work of the devil, too. I think ultimately, she is trying to hide from her self. I find it sad the name of Jesus is being used in this, though. But Jesus doesn’t get bothered by it, l’m sure. He understands all of us, our pain, our fears. 🙂
Yea she strikes me as mentally unstable. She’s very extreme and not grounded no matter what she was into. First the extreme in new age now the Bible. She can’t just be her own person and relax and not cling to outside things to feel like she belongs somewhere. I think there are things I believe in in both areas and that’s ok everyone is different. But the extreme in either direction is just do good and she’s shown she can’t just be balanced and not so extreme
Being a survivor of abusive energy an knowing the way it twists one I wonder what has hijacked DV, and it’s concerning but part of personal spiritual development is taking responsibility for our intention to maintain sound loving practices via the tools available. We balance light and shadow with every step. I’ve worried about using DV’s products, since she crumpled under something she was powerless against. What happened? It’s good to ask. Good to be aware of our self responsibility. To delve within our own heart of wisdom. So now I’m wary about keeping my practice clean, daily clarity practices, joy practice. Tend boundaries and don’t give away personal power. We are the ultimate gatekeeper of what comes through. Will it be love or fear? Tools are only tools and we who use them are where the power resides. DV needs us to be channels of love, and not feed the fear energy with fear responses.
I love this, Mary: We are the ultimate gatekeeper of what comes through. So true.
We need to be channels of love and light for ourselves. We all have demons to face, but we can do so from a space that is filled with love instead of one that is filled with fear.
Best to you!
I honestly feel she has lost the plot. I see she has since published a new deck of cards called Love and Light through Hay House. A few of the cards clearly depict angels. I am at an absolute loss for understanding her thought process here. My actual first thought was – what a hypocrite. In her no-no list of what to avoid, she specifically said not to work with angels, only work with God and Jesus, she also said if one sought guidance, to go to their Bible. I am extremely curious to figure out the hypocrisy behind releasing a new deck of cards. In the guidebook she says it’s not to be used as an oracle, but we must randomly pick a card or two for upliftment and inspiration? This scenario is a classic example of how we are better off trusting our own wisdom and intuition etc instead of seeking the likes of Doreen for guidance.
LOL! Picking a card or two for inspiration sounds a lot like… an oracle! 🙂
“This scenario is a classic example of how we are better off trusting our own wisdom and intuition…” <-- exactly. Thank you for your comment! Kind regards, Sue
Now that fits!
Which also feels to connect with continuing to “lose her voice, ie everything”.
Doreen’s son and his wife had businesses with her. Daughter-in-law has dance skills. It appeared they were doing well as younger light shiners!
She has family, unless grooming has taken that too.
Isolating is key. It ain’t her first rodeo. It is the first time possibly hostaged.
This one’s a pip! Drastically reduced rescue farm by moving to another island. Financial problems? How?
#1 in field Doreen founded and kicked butt! Developed first certification workshops to build a global community.
I can’t remember every feeling she is vain. Goofy, but fun!
Her last works felt forced, hurried.
Above info was randomly read somewhere. The conversion (?) coincides. Doreen’s parents; were they Unity ministry?
None of this fits. She friggin’ talks to Ascended Masters!
Lugh hung out with her on some jetti’s years ago, while with Farmer. Come on! Doreen’s got skills. She’s still there, it’s in her DNA.
We need to help her remember. Hopefully, lesson complete! *relating* 😉
“The harder the life, the more advanced the soul”?
She’s a poor lost soul that needs prayer and love. Let’s send her love and release her. Let’s put her in the hands of the Divine Master. All she needs is love.
I see that Doreen’s former best friend and collaborator in the angel cards, Radley Valentine is still promoting the cards and doing angel and tarot courses. I wonder how he must feel knowing that his former friend Doreen, has virtually condemned him to damnation.
I know. Radleigh was always so positive, genuine, and really warm and friendly. I hope that he’s able to just move on with his work and that this DV thing isn’t totally getting to him.
Thank you for responding!
I too am disappointed in Doreen Virtue. I had to decide what to do with her books and cards. I kept my favourites as I still believe what is in them.
I think her change of heart has to do with mental illness and perhaps a lot of guilt. She had an animal hoarding problem, which literally destroyed her.
I believe she still is gifted, yet cannot go back to her old beliefs as she literally let down thousands of people due to her financial problems. Everywhere where she goes people judge and send her negative vibes. She has gained a lot of weight as a result.
Now she relies on a new community of people, which sounds like a cult.
People do change and unexpectedly leave.
oh! The animal hoarding thing makes total sense, Kathy.
The thought that she is a part of/leading a cult is sad, but might be very true. She is charismatic and has a way of bringing people into her teachings, as we all know. I wish she was teaching more from a place of love than it seems she is. Ah well – her life, right?
I am eternally grateful to Doreen for all the wonderful people I met through her, and especially you Sue.
Like you, I feel Jesus energy is all loving, all compassionate all understanding.
So is God/creator/universal energy
god is always loving all compassionate and deeply understanding
I love the insights from Neale Donald Walsh on this
and yes reading her article just iterates my belief
that love is my religion and the earth is my temple
all inclusive all understanding
it is about
that we are all one
and not good or bad …
that love is my religion and the earth is my temple
all inclusive all understanding
it is about
that we are all one
and not good or bad …
Warm hugs to you my friend!
Doreen is A born-again not a Catholic. Born-again‘s do not get in the two statues and such like Catholics do. They are very different. I think she’s just a charlatan but hey that’s my opinion.
Ahh. I don’t think I’ve ever been in a “born again church”. It’s hard to say what she is now – that’s for sure!
Thank you for your comment!
An idol is an object of worship. Catholics don’t worship statues as if they are gods, as did the people who worshipped the golden calf. Statues in and of themselves are not wrong… Just the worship of them. God even instructed the Ark of the Covenant to be built with two angel statues in them. In the meantime, Doreen Virtue, the supposed born again following Jesus’ commandment not to remarry and live in adultery while previous husbands are still alive, is doing just that. She’s a fake Christian, who refuses to heed Jesus’ command, as many born again do. Jesus made His words very clear, but born against like to twist it. I know, I use to be one of them! I saw so much hypo rich!
Interesting comment – thank you!
Also, so much YES about cherry-picking which rules to follow and which to ignore. Seems very normal these days – but who am I to judge, you know?
I had really hard times when I got stabbed by Doreen right to my heart I opened to her and her previous teaching. It was her who helped me to heal from the wounds I suffered while being raised as a Christian in our family. Her new age teachings helped me so much to find my own path and my own worth. I found my life purpose and got thousands of followers on my own page thanks to her and her previous teachings. So many of us were dissapointed and shocked by what happened to her! Not the conversion, but the behavior! All those lies, subtle threatening (that we’ll end up in hell) and all that fear energy she started to spread instead of light! Most of us are highly sensitive and this whole thing triggered a lot of pain in us… and doubts about our paths.
I still follow Radleigh Valentine, Robert Reeves and other beautiful souls I found thanks to her but even though I still believe in my path, there is a bitter taste of doubts… It’s like she spoiled my vision and the way I look at things somehow. However, that “AZ list” is so ridiculous that I really think she’s psychically ill. I don’t take anything she says seriously. But what an irony that the very person who taught me most things about assertiveness and protection against narcissists became one of those I have to protect myself against.
“What an irony that the very person who taught me most things about assertiveness and protection against narcissists became one of those I have to protect myself against.”
It’s a thing about separating the teacher from the lesson, but it did sting so many.
I wish you the best.
Like all of you, I came to know Doreen as the angel lady. I owned and read every book she wrote. I owned and used several of her tarot card decks. I took her angel card course and eventually became a reiki master. I used crystals and gems for healing, played around with mediumship, practiced intuition/psychic abilities, practiced mindfulness and meditations. I became obsessed with affirmations and things such as the law of attraction, karma, past lives, etc. Name it I was into it.
I convinced myself that this universalism/new age had to be the answer and the truth. I fashioned God/Jesus to fit my own likings, morals, truth/reality. He literally became what I wanted Him to be. All the time I never once researched or studied, the historical evidence to find the real truth.
I became aware that the real God/Jesus is (Not) who new agers/universalists believe him to be. I lovingly and sincerely advise everyone here to research the new age/ universalism movement and where it was modeled from. The things Doreen is saying today holds truth. She is understanding things correctly. “As am I now”.
A quick summary of how I became interested in the new age movement. It began with childhood experiences with seeing what I thought must have been ghosts “dead people”. It only happened a few times. As a child, my single mom of four daughters moved around on average twice to three times a year. “Exhausting” However, I was the only one in the family having these experiences in some of the homes we lived in, not all.
Never the less, as I grew older I began searching for answers. It was so easy to do because of the number of books being sold on the subject. From Sylvia Browne – Doreen Virtue, and from so-called mediums to so-called psychics. My library of books on the topic was extensive. By the time I finished reading all these books, I realized that these psychics and mediums and authors/teachers of all sorts had (their own perspective and teaching) that held no consistency with one another. Therefore, I came out of it with zero truth and loads of confusion on who to believe and could not find a single satisfying belief.
With that said, I decided to set aside all these books and teachings and deeply, research whom “God” says he is. I’ve researched the Historical, Biblical and Systematic Theology in search of evidence that gives credibility to the Bible as being God’s Word to us all. I discovered I can no longer deny all the evidence of the Bible and the accuracy of it.
Your choice of spiritual/religious practice does make a difference in your relationship with God. Please research the false teachings in the new age movement. Pray for God to reveal himself and his truth to you. My intentions for this letter are only because I care and want all to experience God’s love which is much more real then all these new age bandaid solutions offer.
Since my journey with God, my life has changed in the most incredible ways. My anxiety/panic attacks went away. My relentless quest for truth went away, my negative experiences with the dark side went away. And all this has been replaced with the most amazing peace of mind and contentment I have ever experienced.
Lastly, I want you all to know that I am 3 months into my walk with God/Jesus and I carry no more guilt, shame, fear, self-pity, and no longer hold hatred, bitterness, anger, resentment, grudges, jealousy etc toward anyone. When you seek God and follow Jesus, all that heaviness in your heart and mind go away. I was seeking for this kind of peace and was only able to receive it once I allowed God to reveal himself to me and let him in my life, and let him change me rather than striving to change him.
Please respond with love if you desire to disagree. We can still hold respect for one another even if we have different viewpoints. God bless you and your families.
Written on March 4 / 2019
I’m happy that you have found your own version of peace within the Christian religion and teachings. I disagree with your thoughts about the Bible and Christian based “truth” – but that’s OK. We all have to make our own relationships with the Universe and the energies around us, and with ourselves.
Thank you for your comment,
Elaine you are 100% right, as my story is almost identical to yours! Jesus saved myself through a very difficult time in my life. Sue, all I can say to you is, purchase a bible, and I will pray for you. True peace, and contentment come through Jesus, and His Word. The Old Testament proves the existence of God and His Truth in the New Testament. Many blessings and truth Sue.
Darling, I actually have several Bibles and have studied Christianity, as well as other religions. Thanks for your advice and your prayers. I’ll pray for you as well.
It is Lent. For me that means staying in an attitude of gratitude. Today I am most grateful for all the ways we are able to connect to God/Spirit/Source. Christ, angels, archangels, fairies, crystals, oracle cards, tarot, dousing, prayer, manifesting- and the greatest connection of all- unconditional love.
Just bringing balance to the naysayers here…
Thank you DeeAnna!!!
I have so much to be grateful for, too. Nice energy shift. It’s appreciated.
Also whatever happened to ‘treat another as you want to be treated’? Do Christians want to be condemned??? Hmm…
I am confused about where ultimate truth lies. God is the ultimate mystery and so unlike all cruel fear based human idealogies and fundamentalist religions
I think all religion Muslim, demonation christianity Judaism Hinduism, new age are all inventions of human egos and human weakness
I have tried them all and they seem to contain truth mixed with errors
I am a compassionate person who refuses to hurt or condemn others. I also do not involve myself in the torture and imprisonment of animals or the destruction of God’s creation.
.i think that Jesus is to be followed as well as ideas from the highest ideals of Buddhism and Jainism or any loving spiritual ideal We all have to struggle to find God and it is a lifelong quest. I and all of us must devote our lives to the pursuit of truth . I have to overlook and forgive myself for all the errors I have made along the path toward finding a relationship with the divine. I cannot condemn others who trip and fall on their difficult journey. I wish I had the truth that I could enlighten you all with but I can’t say anything for sure. I am studying the course in miracles presently and believe there are some interesting truths in it yet I feel it like the bible may contain some errors or commissions
Let’s not put our full faith in any human books or teachers. People make money writing books and running churches of all kinds. If people would be honest and admit that they have doubts about the role they play being ministers or spiritual gurus the world would be a much better place. The world is in a huge spiritual mess presently and this includes card carrying atheists
No human can or does know anything for sure. We need to question everything and yet try hard to not condemn others who live in varying degrees of ignorance. Let’s have pity on Doreen virtue and many millions like her. Being open for new truths and showing compassion for all sentient beings can’t go wrong while we all flounder around trying to understand who we are and why we are here. It’s not necessary to have a formal set of beliefs that we have been force fed by others fears and egos!!
Yep. You are right – we humans don’t know and many of us are trying to figure out how to live our best lives. Kindness, humility, exploration, and tolerance are important parts of our own spiritual journeys.
Thank you for your comment!
Thank you for writing this piece. I too resonated with much of Doreen Virtue sharings of her knowledge. However it was obvious to me that she has never found her own path and always following simeone elses. I am saddened by her turn about and in my line of work delusions of demons and god are about mental illness. I appreciate listening to so many comments of sending love and continuing the parh of acdeprance and non-judgement. Again thank you for speaking your thoughts and sharing your heart.
Thank you for commenting, Alexis.
Yes, looking back it might seem like she didn’t follow her OWN path, but allowed herself to be led. Either way, like you said, we have to take a step back and look at her change as HER change as we continue on her own paths.
I only heard of Doreen’s conversion a few days ago scrolling through YouTube,and i,like many,am floored and flabbergasted at her 180 turn! I have several of her books and 3 different oracle decks,which by the way i will still continue to use.It was her and Sylvia Browne that got me really into angels.It is so sad and disheatening that she is condemning her own work,as well as getting on a bullypulpit preaching fire and brimstone nonsense and having many questioning their own faith and morality! So many of these “born agains” have this elitist attitude that theirs is the only way to salvation,and any other religion or belief is “of the devil”! She believes in Jesus,but that attitude goes against everything Jesus taught about: love,acceptance,peace,and loving God! And how can something as beautiful as angels be ” of the devil” when EVERY major religion references angels?!? Something is definitely off with her,and i really feel sad for her.She states she has never been happier,but these rants make her seem bitter and angry! Whether she is mentally ill,or her born again husband forced and brainwashed her,i still send love and light to her.Its just so sad.
I totally agree – especially with what you say Jesus taught versus what she is saying. Sad, really.
Thank you for commenting!
What a disappointment she is. After she capitalized on her former beliefs… to go against that and in a completely different direction. What a hypocrite. I think she’s nuts
Some really think that she’s totally about making a buck and is doing this conversion for the market position. Sad, really. One has to wonder.
Kind regards and thank you for your message!
I agree whole heartedly, she made millions of dollars and now she is a born again Christian.. Oh and now buy her new book.. I believe if I’m correct her Father was or is a Reverend or Pastor, so she new the bible..Iam so very disappointed in her. We all have to meet our maker, seen then what gates she crosses!
Thank you so much for this piece. I’m still scratching my head over Doreen ‘s “conversion.” When I first learned about it, I thought, “wow, okay, if that’s what is calling you, you’re on your own path, I send you blessings, etc.” Then to read her “A-Z blog.” OMG!! Oops, that’s on the list. Lol Anyway, Thank you for expressing what many of us feel about all this. ✨
The A-Z blog was something else, for sure.
Thank you for your message!
As a holder of two certificates of Doreen’s angel courses from over 10 years ago , I did turn away from doing having anything to do with angel card readings partly because I felt that something seemed off with her somehow and tried all these other alternative things . Somehow I have recently come to reconnect with my spirit guides and angels again with whom I only feel love . And I am into all the following at the moment – LOA Tapping Mindfulness Meditating Hypnosis Empowerment . So I was shocked when I saw this youtube video of Doreen denouncing her former “career” and then saw her A – Z list which includes all of the above mentioned subjects . I don’t mind people practising what they believe in but to push their beliefs onto others does make me irritated . I am sending Doreen love and light as she seems to have lost the plot and is full of fear . And I don’t mind joining you all in the after life as we all happily dance with hot feet in the fires down below ……. 🙂 Only kidding !
I totally agree it’s a fear based thing now from her. It’s so weird, too – going from love to fear is a huge jump in what I see is the wrong direction.
I wish you the best!
Thank you very much for your article, Sue. I’m so glad I found and read it. When I saw Doreen’s post on Instagram this morning (about stop using Angels cards, etc) it made me feel uneasy. I thought, how Angels, Archangels, Fairy’s etc. cards could be evil? When I hold them in my hands, I feel love and am getting good vibes. How could this be “demonic”? At first I thought her instagram account was hacked but then I read more stuff on the internet and realized it hasn’t been hacked it’s just Doreen has changed… I still believe in God, Archangels and Angels; I still will ask Angels and Archangels to guide me, and I still will use the cards. This is my faith; this is my path; this is what makes me happy and fills me with love. How love can be “demonic”?
“This is my faith; this is my path; this is what makes me happy and fills me with love. How love can be ‘demonic’?”
I so totally agree. Thank you for that validation.
I’m actually using her Archangel Raphael deck to send her love and healing.
I’m afraid she’s drifted into fanaticism. 🙁
I still use some of my angel decks sometimes, too. It’s sad that her message is so judgmental and fanatic these days.
Thank you for commenting.
Great post with many of my own sentiments- I too blogged about this too- https://havanawellnessstudio.com/2019/03/27/divinely-inspired-works/
because I just had to get my thoughts to virtual pen and paper.
Thank you for writing this article. Because of Doreen virtue and others inklings I felt about spirituality and religion in general, I started down a path of Angels, Reiki, crystals, mantras, LOA, etc. I am even studying shamanism now. When I learned of Doreen’s conversion, I literally cried my eyes out to my Christian-based therapist. Even she said that I have a right to my own spiritual path and that none of those beliefs made me evil or attract evil. The thing is, I was a born again Christian for years and thought that being a Christian was going to magically solve all my problems. I married a Christian man in the Christian church and everything soon fell apart in life. It was a big slap in the face. I felt like I was groveling to God all the time, to please help me and make my life better, etc. but nothing got better. And all my so called Christian friends abandoned me when I needed them because I didn’t go to church anymore as I was severely depressed. Christianity is full of humans and as long as humans are depending in external forces to help them control their behaviors and mind, the problems set in. I have found that the Vedic/Yoga sciences are much more powerful and in-depth on getting to that root of mans problem then the Bible. Not that the Bible is good, but it’s written for non-intellectuals in my opinion and is basically a bunch of parables, poems, prayers, and stories. The truth is, most people don’t choose thei religion. Where you were born, your parents, and the predominant religious culture of our environment typically determines what we religion we are. If you are born into a Muslim family in Iraq or even Turkey for example, do you honestly think you would be an outlier and convert to Christianity out of no where? I have come to believe there is no creator, only pure consciousness that expresses itself beautifully and mysteriously through the myriad of human societies and that whatever assists man in being loving, kind, inspired, free, and powerful is all that matters. I feel a sense of righteousness anger when although there are over 500 gods that humanity worships, some folks somehow things only theirs is right. If God all wanted us to be Christians and if With God All Things Are Possible, why then doesn’t Jesus just appear to all of us… but somehow Doreen is special and Jesus has appeared to her? I have a lot of devout Christian friends and family members and they have never, ever seen visions of Christ… God knows they wish they would. Heck, even I’d like to. Wouldn’t clarity be so simple and convenient? All the best to Doreen, but please can we all just live peacefully in the sea of diversity. The derisiveness caused by religious fundamentalists is at the root of hate and violence in history and is slowly losing ground. Do what you will, but harm no one.
I totally agree with you about so much that you said, especially this:
“…but please can we all just live peacefully in the sea of diversity.”
Isn’t that what Jesus stood for in the first place?
“…there are over 500 gods that humanity worships, some folks somehow things only theirs is right.”
We’ve come to a fork in the road, IMHO – a place where we need more inclusion, peace, and understanding – not fear mongering and exclusion. Doreen used to represent that ideology to me (mostly) – now, though, I just see her as another person acting from a place of fear and prejudice.
Peggy, your comment really spoke to me. I wanted to thank you for sharing your thoughts, and compliment you on your clarity and expression. Maybe you should write a book, or blog? Just sayin’! 🙂
So Peggy are your Christian family members, and friends all non intellectuals for believing in the bible? Writers are some of the most incredible intellectuals in the world. There are many Christian heretics, and unfortunately you may have been involved with one who twisted the truth of the bible, so don’t be so quick to judge. All my best and blessings to you.
Peggy I am so sorry for your experience. I grew up in a Christian family and experienced abuse as well. The thing is, Christianity is misused nowadays. I was never truly Christian until I repented and turned to Him only and completely. Base your relationship with God on the Word and the Holy Spirit. Trust in the Lord and He will fulfill the desires of your heart. You are not the creator. You are part of marvelous creation and so let us praise and worship our maker whose thoughts are higher than our thoughts who gave us life! I still have problems with my family now but I am praying and it’s really helped me honor them. I know God is at work. Hope this helps x
Today I saw her post in instagram. She said that tarot is not good and they attract demons! And if we want to know just read bibble I was like seriously?? I think she lost her mind. I love angels taror I dont thing is something bad in angels readings…Dissapointting
So many of us still love working with the angels; many of us don’t feel like the angels are evil or some entry for demons.
Thanks for commenting,
This was great. Well said.
Thank you, Heather.
Who knew that empowerment and vision boards and affirmations could be a bad thing?
Being raised a Christian myself, and understanding where she is coming from, Doreen has become entangled in a form of fundamentalist Christianity known as Legalism.
Legalism does not allow you to experience anything about the life you live without filtering your experiences through a very literal and strict interpretation of the Bible. If it’s not in the Bible (as she is led to understand it) then it’s not of God. Adherents to this brand of Christianity are to base their actions on whether they are pleasing God at all times and at all costs. This form of strict authoritarian Christianity does not allow for adaptation or interpretation or seeing God’s handiwork in life if it does not measure up to established doctrine.
I would tend to think that a rather small percentage of Christians adhere to this form of intolerant belief system. Maybe 20%? The rest of Christians find themselves anywhere in between.
The most liberating day of my life was when I gave up strict adherence to a literal interpretation of the Bible and began to open my mind and heart through the writings of Camille Paglia and others. I began to doubt the Bible as the “inerrant word of God” by wondering and asking questions about the men who wrote it. No one knows who they were! And we’re supposed to think that a council in 325 A.D. has delivered to the human race everything they are to know and not question lest hellfire await you for questioning?
In this form of intolerant Christianity, simply asking questions can be an act of heresy.
Let me tell you — Asking questions is the death-knell to intolerant legalistic teachings. That is why they don’t want ANYONE going to sources other than their narrow interpretation of the Bible to get answers. They don’t want people quesitoning! They only want the Bible as your answer, no matter what the question.
It is a very sad way to live, in my opinion. She has swung in two wild directions. I hope the “pendulum” swings back to center, for her sake.
Thank you for your balanced post! I agree as a fellow Christian who is well educated. The problem is we get mixed up and judged by new agers.
The problem with vision boards and affirmations is when they make you into your own god and you input spiritual meaning into it (turning your own work of your hands into an idol – read Isaiah) and you start seeking out your own aims and goals instead of Christ’s. Nothing wrong with having goals, make sure to seek God’s kingdom and righteousness first! God bless.
Thank you for your response, Lila.
Interesting that you would mention “being judged” as if it is something that Christians don’t practice.
The Bible also has quotes that support the exact principles you are talking about:
“I and my Father are one.” – John 10:30.
“The Kingdom of Heaven is within.” – Luke 17:21
I honestly feel like there were powers in the olden days that manipulated the text to use it as a form of control. There are so many pearls of wisdom that point directly toward what LoA is all about.
Have a blessed day,
I agree Sue. These “ancient fires” continue, and while a golden thread of truth still exists, the original message doesn’t match the enlightenment and wisdom we gain collectively over time.
I heard this recently- No religion has found THE truth but all religions have found a piece of it. Some religions think they have found all truth. When religion steps into fundamentalism, this is ancient fire, bound to old thought forms. And this comes from a collective place of ego/personality rather than soul.
Yes! This: No religion has found THE truth but all religions have found a piece of it.
Honestly, I am discovering some interesting theories as I explore a more Earth-based practice.
I live in an area settled by the Romans, so seeing their influence on the entire world is kind of eye-opening. Then add in the persecution for connecting to the Earth and energies around it and how that leads to exploitation without empathy… mind blown. OMG.
Thanks for your comment!
DeeAnna your soul is your mind. The Spirit is eternal. Enlightenment and wisdom collectively over time does not explain “the still existing evil” in the world today. But God’s Word does…And the Christian faith is not a religion. It is a relationship with God the creator of heaven and earth. I often find this new age thinking has forgotten how big and powerful the Almighty God is. He has preserved His truth in a book called the Bible. (As though the creator of the universe couldn’t do something that simple)…It is true that many religions have made their own versions of the original word of God to suit their own agenda, however, those can be traced back in history and exposed as the deceptive materials that they are. This new age enlightenment and so called wisdom can also be traced back to satan worshippers and their leaders. It is not a new belief, “As many ignorantly think.” There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ the Savior. If people took time to understand the bible they would see how often it is misinterpreted. Now a days it is difficult to find truth since the internet has been so cluttered with misinformation and flat out lies. But it is there and can be found…”Seek” Rely on God’s wisdom not your own wisdom…Anyway if you truly want to find truth, ask and keep on asking our creator. “GOD.” He will reveal His truth to those who have a sincere heart and thirst for His truth. He will guide your steps and provide discernment as well as reveal who He is, and His plan from the beginning for mankind. There are two paths after death. God has given everyone a chance to come to Him or to reject Him. We choose our final destination. God does not force anyone because God is love. And love is not forceful. God is equally Just. So there are consequences to our choices…Just as it is in our earthly life…As Christians we do not have ego/personalities, but we do have a desire to follow Jesus and it is the Fathers Will that dictates our way of living. Also just because we are Christians that does not make us perfect. We still have a fallen human nature just like non-Christians do. Sin is present in all peoples. However, as Christians we thrive to grow from glory to glory to glory and allow God to work in us and change our sinful tendencies. So we can get to a point in our life where we sin less and less through Gods wisdom and strength, not our own…That is if we are being a true Christian. Their are some that are not genuine just as you would find in any group of peoples from all walks of life and beliefs. Nobody that studies and has degrees in History whether a believer in God or an atheist disagrees with the fact that Jesus existed and was who He said He was, and that he was in fact crucified. And so on……..Once you take a leap into Gods truth and what He has prepared for your life be ready to have your eyes opened. And be ready to embrace your Savior Jesus Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords.
I think you might be missing a really important point here. You say, “I often find this new age thinking has forgotten how big and powerful the Almighty God is.”
Actually, most of us see how big God is — we don’t limit the energy of all that is to one belief system in the way Christians do.
Thanks for your reply.
Hi Sue…Everyone judges…There is a difference…Some judge rudely and hypocritically “Including false Christians” Just like false good people in general…As a true Christian we are to judge correctly by following God’s MORAL laws tenderly and lovingly…Even today we have court systems designed to judge and persecute those breaking laws…Moving forward…..Sounds like you believe evil has a higher authority over God. God is perfectly capable of preserving His Word…And…His truth “can be”, and is found when one cares to research for it and filter out the deceptions and falsities. The same applies for todays recent history. You still have to filter out lies from facts on google etc…Moreover…human nature is not any more intelligent today as it was in Biblical days! All that has changed is advanced technology. Human nature is the same. Some are morally good and some prefer evil…I struggle to see the logic in your above mentioned theory…Lets say in 10, 20, 30, 40, 100, 500, 2000 + years from now people are reading your material. Should we assume you are wrong now, since, you will be outdated and considered less wise for the future generations? Is what you believe now going to be considered a form of controlled powers from the olden days? Sue I pray you learn to trust in the True God “Of biblical days”, and except Jesus Christ as your Savior. He is the only way. God has the final authority on that fact. Not me or other Christians. Please know that I am not writing with ill intentions. I truly care for God, and I am being obedient to Him by keeping His truth alive and known. He loves you and everyone. But He has only one way that saves. One truth. “Jesus Christ”…Although it is an ancient truth it remains solid and true today. God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. May Gods peace and Grace be with you…stay safe.
Thank you for your opinion, Elaine.
As an ordained Elder in the Presbyterian Church, a commissioned Stephen Minister (a non-denominational Christian mission), a board member of the local university campus ministry and a doctoral student in theology, I am utterly and profoundly aware of my relationship with Jesus and God Almighty.
As a multi-faith Spiritual Director, psychotherapist and coach who practices inclusivity, I have been opened wide to varying faiths and belief systems and I have grown immensely by learning both ancient wisdom and New Age thought.
I believe that God/Spirit/Source comes to us in an abundance of ways and offers us a multitude of tools to do the spiritual work and soul study. My faith life is very blessed and I an grateful for the work I do with others. It sounds like you are on your path as well. I wish you peace and joy.
Hi Sue…In response to this message that you sent me…Hi Elaine,
I think you might be missing a really important point here. You say, “I often find this new age thinking has forgotten how big and powerful the Almighty God is.”
Actually, most of us see how big God is — we don’t limit the energy of all that is to one belief system in the way Christians do.
Thanks for your reply.
My response: Since I am not able to reply directly to you I will do it underneath my own post…If you don’t silence me there to. I see that you surely do not believe that your god is bigger then The True God. Otherwise you wouldn’t have silenced me from replying. After reading many of your posts on your blog I have noticed that you make many attacks on Christians and in the same breath declare “love and light”…Where do you get your moral compass from when it comes to truth and love and light? You are all over the map with being kind and harsh. See this new age belief cult thing is self serving. New age believers pick and choose what fancies their desires and lusts and passions. Some of your comments made when things are said either in your favor or when correcting you, truly shows the new age belief that you practice. You respond accordingly…Instead of kindly speaking your beliefs. If you are going to preach love and light then should you not always behave that way?…Especially online where you have time to edit and calm yourself before responding and making a public revealing of your character. Granted you have not fully unleashed your pride with me yet, but your blog and written words to others clearly show it. Also I have looked you up on Facebook and I was unimpressed with some of your posts there. Example “Posts on admitting your evil” Or promoting evil as though it is cool. I assure you that God does not approve. I can’t see even the god you have made up approving. Either you love the light, or you love the dark. You cannot serve two masters. Come to God. He is good. Sorry for being so straight forward with these (much needed) corrections…Sometimes truth is hard to take as well as hard to say. What is it that turns you off from God of the Bible? Please do not say Christians. Not all Christians are genuine…Anyway Christians are not God. God has spoken for Himself and reveals who He is. Have you ever studied His Word? I just wish I could take all the unbelievers and show them the mistake they are making by rejecting the Truth. God is loving and so Holy, and desires a personal relationship with His children. Not a religion. Not self-serving practices or rituals. A relationship. He wants your heart. He wants your mind thinking of heavenly things and storing up treasures for yourself there, not here in this temporary blink of a life. He wants to give eternal life with Him. But he cannot in His Holiness share the same space with those who reject His Salvation Plan. He takes you imperfectly and works in you perfectly. He is not looking for perfection from you because our fallen natures cannot ever be perfect in this life. He knows this. But till the day we die, He works in us and we do change little by little in His love and forgiveness. Anyway…Take care Sue.
While I appreciate your concern for my soul and everything, you seem a bit mistaken. You see, my God(s) and your God are the same. We just choose to worship differently.
I haven’t posted anything that says admitting your evil – perhaps you can send me a link? Are you talking about the Lindt chocolates? They are decadently good, for sure!
Each and every one of us has a unique relationship with the Creator. I see you’re very happy with yours. I am also very happy with mine.
Please quit trying to proselytize me.
Love and light, and blessings to you! I hope you find a way out of your dark place. Nature is awesome for that. You might want to go hug a tree or get a Reiki session!
Hi Elaine, you are talking about unicorns and yoga being evil. I think that is a bit of a stretch. Seriously.
And if you looked at the history of the Christian faith, Roman colonialism, and witch hunts (a.k.a. killing women who read or knew herbalism), you might be scratching your head, wondering about all this eternal hell fire and judgment.
Since you rolled into my inbox with your response, I’ll be public with mine.
There are rumors that the Christian faith was started by the Romans as a way of controlling the masses. It’s interesting to note the many ways Christianity mimics pagan practices–pagan practices are older, so that is why I say mimic. They used those connections to try to make Christianity more palpable for the pagans to convert them more easily. You might not notice it so much if you are in the US, but here, in Austria, it is VERY present.
Throughout history, they forced people to practice Christianity or face execution https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/interview-converting-by-the-sword.
It was used as a “reason” to turn people against each other or pick off people they considered to be “unholy” or to be witches. It’s WAY bigger than just Salem. Thousands upon thousands of men, women, and children have been put to death for connecting with nature or being different or reading or knowing which herb to pick from the forest or as scapegoats for troubled times. These practices happen in modern times, too, and in the name of Jesus and Christianity.
When you see that big, long list of what DV considers to be “evil” it makes you cringe because those would be reasons to mercilessly torture and convert or kill anyone who practiced those things or believes in them. If there is some sort of modern Christian Inquisition or conversion to a more “conservative Christian value set”, people might start pointing fingers at people who are LGBTI or who practice yoga or who love glittery fluffy unicorns because those things are evil. Or so some people think.
Historically, it wasn’t uncommon for Christian zealots — and some governments using Christianity as their cover — to kill off pretty much anyone they wanted to, in the name of Jesus and spreading Christianity to the poor, “primitive” villages and tribes in lands they wanted to conquer.
As I mentioned above,those ideas are still practiced in many, many places and seem to be a root of some of the colonization practices, like considering tribal people (especially if they were brown or black) to be inferior and forcing them to covert. Have you been reading about the graves in Canada and how indigenous children were forcibly removed from their homes and abused and killed?
We won’t even go into the pedo priest scandals or anything like that here. And don’t EVEN get me started on the patriarchy.
And when you consider how Christianity has disconnected us from NATURE, having people worship in man-made churches instead of the spaces GOD created, it opens up a lot of space for dot connecting (like how humans are working on completely destroying the world around them because they are going to heaven, so who cares, right?)
Ultimately, I am going into nature. The place GOD (your god, my god, the god of all and everything) created. I worship in my own way. I consider the trees and land to be sacred. I have my own practices and rituals. And this is my site.
The fact that you looked me up on Facebook and focused on the image I posted that says “I’m evil.” Like women over time have been evil for “causing lustful thoughts” or being strong-willed. Like Eve was evil. Like Lilith was evil. Like we are all unholy and unclean with the original sin of being born that needs to be driven away by baptism.
Anyway, have a good day.
Sorry for the long response, however, it is a big topic. As for why I wrote you in another place was because it was the only way that I was able to respond. This is your site and it is in your control.
Firstly…Key word to note in your first paragraph “Rumors” rumors that the Christian faith was started by the Romans as a way of controlling the masses.
Where Did Christianity Originate Spiritually? – Christianity’s spiritual origins are rooted in the Jewish faith. Though Jesus was from Galilee, he was of the Messianic line –the line of David. This is why Joseph and Mary had to travel to Bethlehem for the census. It was the hometown of David. Christianity and the teachings of Jesus did not come from left-field. They are inherently Jewish, as before the coming of the Messiah. When Jesus began his spiritual teachings, he did not introduce a new Deity but showed the fulfillment of the Old Testament promise.
Christianity quickly spread around the entire known world. Just as Jesus had commanded his followers in Matthew 28:19-20: (Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.)
The earliest Christians did not name themselves Christians. Instead they called their movement “The Way” as referenced in a number of New Testament scriptures you can see here – mostly in the book of Acts. The word Christian was first used as a pejorative term by critics of the movement who wanted to put it down. “Christian” means “little Christ.” So it was a put-down to those who followed the risen Christ.
Why Jesus’ Followers Were Called Christians – When Jesus began his journey and teachings, the people who followed him usually referred to themselves as followers or even Saints. The new movement met a lot of resistance in Antioch. This is probably why this term “Christian” originated there. The word “Christ” is the Greek translation of the Hebrew “Messiah.” It means the anointed one. Christ is the Savior – the One who was mentioned many times by the Old Testament prophets. In English, “Christ” is a transliteration of the Greek word “Christos.” Here’s how “Christos” looks in Greek: Χριστός
The people of Antioch took this word Christ and called Jesus’ followers by a name closely related to him. Calling them “Christians” loosely means “little Christs.” The followers of Christ were now called by his Messianic title – but in the Greek language. So the term “Christian” was born. They were very literally saying they were those who had belonged to the group that Jesus had led and that they were living like him.
There is ample evidence in today’s world that the Christian faith rests on Solid Ground. This evidence comes from centuries of scientific, archaeological and historical studies and discoveries.
Nobody was forced by any of the true followers of Christ Jesus to practice Christianity. The Gospel was given and it was left to the individual to believe or to reject. Zealot simply means – one who is zealous on behalf of God. The term derives from Greek ζηλωτής (zelotes), “emulator, zealous admirer or follower”.
Religious Zeal: The Bad and the Good – Terrible atrocities today are blamed on religious zeal. The Bible warns of wrong zeal, but it also extols righteous, fervent zeal as necessary for pleasing God. Zealots of the self-proclaimed Islamic State revel in sharing gruesome videos of their latest brutal beheadings of aid workers, Christians and others they consider enemies of their brand of Islam. If that weren’t enough, they have mass murdered hundreds of people in terrorist attacks, crucified people, burned people alive and enslaved women and children—all in the name of religion. As horrible as it is to contemplate, IS and other Muslim terrorists aren’t the only violent religious zealots. History abounds with inquisitions, crusades and holy wars. Ungodly atrocities have been committed in the names of many gods. Some misguided zeal has led some to conclude that religion itself is the problem. Many today would agree with Blaise Pascal’s observation: “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it with religious conviction.” Of course, humanists and atheists are not immune to the dark passions of human nature, as the Reign of Terror and Stalin’s pogroms witness. Still, why has zeal so often given religion a bad reputation? What leads to a wrong zeal, and is there a right kind?
Dangers and causes of wrong zeal – False religions and false doctrines are major causes of wrong zeal. Misguided ideas about God and how to please Him have plagued humanity from the beginning, leading to a zeal for doing evil that is abhorrent to the true God. But even those who believe in the Bible can be misled.
The apostle Paul was intimately acquainted with zeal gone wrong in his own life, and he deeply regretted it. For Paul, zealously “made havoc of the church, entering every house, and dragging off men and women, committing them to prison” His was a zeal based on wrong information, motivated by a jealous desire to protect his religious heritage. He and the other zealots had no doubt they were right. They made no allowance that they might have gone astray—that God might not be pleased with their persecution of the Church. Paul’s zeal was sincere, but he came to see it was sincerely wrong. Like Paul’s, wrong zeal is often based on wrong knowledge, wrong motives (hate) and a wrong self-image (pride).
With all the problems that zeal can cause, should we just give up on it?
Dangers of lukewarmness – God is not pleased with the other ditch either. A lack of zeal can mean a lazy, lukewarm approach to Christianity. If you read through the Proverbs, you clearly see God’s perspective on laziness—and it’s not a pretty picture. Jesus Himself gave a parable warning us not to be a “wicked and lazy servant”
(Matthew 25:26). As I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent” (Revelation 3:17-19; see more in our article “Laodicea”). Laziness, complacency, self-sufficiency, lack of urgency—these are all pitfalls that can keep us out of God’s Kingdom. Even those who start with zeal can fall into this trap. Christ said to another of the seven churches of Revelation, “I have this against you, that you have left your first love” (Revelation 2:4). He urged them to “repent and do the first works” (verse 5; see more in our article “Ephesus”). Without that zealous first love, we begin to drift away from God, to lose the motivation to change and become more like God. Losing zeal can lead to a spiritual hypothermia—which can lead to eternal death.
So you can’t put the True Followers of Christ in the same boat as those that went astray, or were misguided.
Also, we have the several Christian denominations. A staggering 45,000 globally, according to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity. So why does Christianity have so many branches? Denominations are formed because everyone does not worship or connect with God in the same way. Because of this, groups of Christians set out to form their own denomination that aligns with their personal preferences and the way they prefer to worship. A true Follower of the Biblical God of Jesus Christ does not add or take away from God’s Holy Spirit Inspired Written Word. “His Truths”
The reason why True Christians share the Gospel – Is for those who are lost or influenced by satans lies – Do you know what witchcraft is? Witchcraft is seeking help or guidance from any spiritual source other than God. All spiritual power comes from either God or satan. Satan is a master counterfeiter and disguise artist. He is all about deception and lies. There is no such thing as white witchcraft. All forms of witchcraft are satans works of darkness. All of these practices are detestable and an abomination to The Lord. We see it throughout the Bible.
I know that many choose to turn their backs on what God says about those who practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead – because they have chosen to do the things He is against. But this is what God says not me or other Christians. We are merely honoring the True God.
Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. 3 John 1:11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God. 1 Corinthians 10:21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 2 Chronicles 33:6 Manasseh also sacrificed his own sons in the fire in the valley of Ben-Hinnom. He practiced sorcery, divination, and witchcraft, and he consulted with mediums and psychics. He did much that was evil in the Lord’s sight, arousing his anger. There is so many more scriptures I could go on for a while however I will stop here with it. Or this response will be the length of a full book. God warns that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
As Christians we worship the creator not nature. But we do appreciate and delight in His creation. There is a difference. Only God is Sacred, not His creations. Global warming is what I assume your talking about in one part of your letter…With that, I say it isn’t global warming but the last days that we are all experiencing. It is God that is creating the earths changes as He prophesied in His Word. “In Full Detail.” Also, I don’t where you get of your info from but as a Christian I do respect the earth. I do not abuse it, even though I am going to Heaven for eternity. I will not respond to the last of your letter since it is based on personal opinions and emotions. Not Christian faith or Biblical.
Lastly. Throughout history and today evil exists, people from all nations and groups have allowed their own thoughts lead them into the evil choices they make. BUT GOD is still in charge and will have the final Word. There is a day that comes for all mankind where we stand before the Lord and give an account for our lives. We will all meet our Creator and personally, I am more then happy to have seeked Him out, instead of following my own desires and allowing lies of the world feed my ego. Or justify my deeds based on what I fancy. There is Historical Facts that support the Word of God (Bible) it is truth and very real. You and others that are straying from the truth and leading others to do the same will have a stiffer accountability. God is who He says He is, and not who people want Him to be. His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are higher then are ways. He sees and knows the beginning from the end. May Gods Grace and Mercy be with you. Blessings.
Jesus is one of MANY known healers and Ascended Masters. There are others. And there are modern healers who are performing miracles. I think it’s absolutely wonderful that people are able to access some of the same Divine Healing Energy to help others heal from illness and disease! Not just Christian Faith Healers, either.
Reiki is a beautiful energy that comes from the Divine Source (God, the Universe, etc.) – and I feel like Christianity (or some people who follow Christianity) don’t want people to have access to be able to help and heal each other. I think we are capable of soooo much more in terms of healing and energy work, but far too many zealots seek to stamp those gifts out. Gifts GOD created and gave us access to. Things that have a measurable positive impact on others.
It’s almost like they want to continue to see people suffer, or attack them with religious zeal so they can somehow feel better than someone else.
A zealot is a zealot at the end of the day. It seems like you are dismissing atrocities committed by Christians when they are being zealous – even today.
And I really struggle to wrap my head around “Laziness, complacency, *self-sufficiency*, lack of urgency” being somehow sinful. As if resting and contemplating is a bad thing, or being independent.
To me, Christianity is a way of controlling the masses and cutting people off from their own *senses*, feelings, and needs and gifts and separating them from the world around them. We are supposed to connect with each other and with nature–as individuals. When you cut that connection, you make everything seem dead and unholy. It’s a pretty big part of why the Earth is being pillaged and exploited. IMO.
Thanks for your responses. Somehow, they seemed to reinforce my own ideologies. I will remain a heathen.
One thing … Jesus is the Messiah, The Son of God. “Fact.” Clinging to an inaccurate circumstance in history does not change that. Imagining your own version of who God is and who Jesus is, isn’t going to change that truth. The world is in worse condition now that its been since the days of Noah! But new agers think there making a difference. Ya look around in the world. Its full of selfishness, lies, deception and evil on a grand scale.
You accuse me of not acknowledging the “zealots” YES, I did. You just didn’t like what the truth had to say. You prefer to believe the half truths and the half lies on it. I should be asking you why do not acknowledge all the other mass killings that have happened world wide. You only have a problem with Christians because were the only ones speaking truth to the world. So because of that, we get a lot of resistance. So did Jesus by the way!
As for me making you more solid in your faith goes, that is laughable. Sorry but you never had intentions on seeing the truth or listening to anything that differed from your own perspective and narrative. Straight out of the gate your conversation with me was never going to change your mind. You OWN your own choices.
Sin is sin. God determines what sin is, not you, not me, not anyone but God. He is Holy, we are not…Do you grasp the concept of the Holiness of God? Anyone standing next to Him is filthy rags in comparison to His righteousness.
I am not surprised you do not understand much of scripture because you clearly never read the Bible, and your heart is closed and eyes are blinded.
You can only be saved by grace. Not a single person in history was saved by keeping God’s law. Jesus is the only person who ever fulfilled the law, and that is because He was not born in sin. The law was never designed to be fulfilled by any human being because it is a reflection of the Holiness of God and the need of man for a savior.
Christians tell the gospel out of obedience to God. And because we know there is only two places we go after death. But people such as yourself accuse us of being mean for trying to save your soul. Your more then capable of making your own choices, and you do, nobody is responsible for that, but you.
Enjoy your day!
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.”
Exodus 21: 7-8
Isn’t that what we are ALL against – child trafficking?
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:8–9 NRSV)
“And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father.” [Genesis 19:31-36]
“I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent.” Timothy 2:11
“For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:35-27)
“But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.” (Leviticus 12:5)
“For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach (a church): a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.” (Leviticus 21:18-21)
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19 (I bet you are wearing some sort of cotton/poly blend now)
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27 (Ummmm… I thought my head was rounded at the edges anyway???)
I could go on, but why?
I know you and your friend accuse me of not reading the Bible. I admit, I haven’t read it front to back. I have tried though–do I get credit?
But passages like this + your zeal make me wonder if you 1) believe in this? 2) have actually read the bible yourself…
I’m OK with NOT adhering to the rules of a book that contains passages like this and really wonder why there are people who defend this type of thinking/rules.
Anyhow… I can spend all day finding interesting passages from the Bible. Considering what it says in it, I might stick to quoting other books.
Thank you so much for your thorough, thoughtful, and Truthful comments. I have been following the comments on this post for some time, and really appreciate your efforts here.
I find it amazing that Sue has responded with yet another whataboutism regarding rest, when the Lord God literally rested on the 7th day, commanded the Sabbath as a day of rest, and Jesus’s repeated statements about coming to him and he will give us rest, and on and on. His yoke is easy, his burden is light.
So much more to be said here, that people like Sue will misinterpret, twist, and dismiss because ‘feelings’. On the one hand Sue says she won’t read the Bible, on the other she insists she just reads and interprets the Bible differently, all the while insisting she knows how a real follower of Christ should be in this world, yet at the same time apparently Christians are a murderous bunch. The logic she uses is mind-numbing to say the least.
Grateful for you. Grace and peace.
Found that logic in the Bible. If true followers of Christ cut off hands, kill babies (happily and with blessings), stone people and more — all found in the bible. I’ll pass on that whole Christian thing. Thanks but no thanks.
I try to see the energy of Christ in a different way. But if you insist I look at the bible for direction…
Thank you for pointing out that I shouldn’t even look at any of the good things the bible says. When it’s surrounded by all the murder, wrath and cannibalism, I can’t see recommending any passages from a book like that.
Have a fab day!
Doreen Virtue was before into very banal New Age Shit and now she’s fully into the Bible. The truth is that YOU ARE a match to demonic entities if you do tarots and stuff if you’re Not a clear channel to Source. As an Empath myself Im so happy you lost the idol who spoke falsity. The tarot cards or mediums do absolutely nothing to one’s spiritual path and it is not the way Jesus taught how to get to Source. Lose anything external and the “angels” you were talking to were probably not and even if they were its still not really useful. Learn to listen to Jesus’s words with your heart without pulling cards out of a bag.
Sigh. This is what I am talking about: Jesus is good, anything else is bad. There are how many billions of people in the world, and many MANY of them follow different ideologies. I’m not going to say that they are wrong or demonic or whatever. In fact, one might even point to things like the Crusades and trying to proselytize everyone being the error in judgment.
I’m open enough to read to the words of Jesus (as written by his disciples and then run through the kings through the ages – a.k.a. filtered, censored, and altered) AND a lot of other sources for the truth. I feel I am connected to Source, as you are – and I don’t necessarily need a book or the words of someone saying they are speaking for Jesus.
Thanks for your input, Jasmine.
I wish you the best.
I have to agree with you and am terribly disappointed to have read some of her lastest articles and tweets. She is posting such judgemental opinions and that to me is not walking in Christ Consciousness, it’s so far from it and she sounds so brainwashed. I grew up in Church and was taught to fear everyone else. This fear and guilt that was placed inside me took years to eradicate and I still have some it’s indoctrination. Religion never taught me Gods pure love for all. Each to their own, she just needs to stop telling everyone else how to live just because she is spell bound about the Bible being the only way. Thanks for your article, much love ❤️
Yes, it does seem that her new work and judgment is totally against the Christ Consciousness, instead of with!!
Thank you for your comment!
First off, thank you for having this forum and comment area available to people. I learned a few things reading through the posts.
I made the mistake of viewing the January 2019 video, which left me very charged. This has definitely been the learning process, going through my own stuff regarding everything.
I didn’t find that joke very funny that someone wrote about dancing in hell with hot feet…this is some of the stuff that I have needed to sort out for myself, all of this bringing buried layers up to a head.
I find that I am feeling angry about somebody badmouthing healing practices and an entire industry with their microphone blasting it out to the world, basically throwing up on whoever is listening.
I also have needed to come to terms with where I am at, needing to revise beliefs I’ve grown up with, even looking at what Bart Ehrman has to say about the whole matter of scripture, and the politics and business practices that these were written under. Very eye opening.
I find myself angry with bully preaching, should and should not, being shoulded on, basic shame and humiliation residues.
I also question spiritual competence of this person at this point, as well as mental illness factors, all of which contribute towards destructive actions and behaviors.
Christ comes in his own way to those with an open heart.
I also wonder if it was really Christ that presented himself to her, or if she was deceived in this manner.
The Christ she describes doesn’t sound like the Christ I grew up with, and part of my childhood training was getting the opportunity to read the bible from cover to cover.
I don’t claim to be any great expert on Christ, but I know what I know, and there’s always more to learn, the bottom line is “Love one another as I have loved you”, “Love God”.
The rest of it seems entwined and quagmired in all the rest of it…does this make sense?
Needed to get this off my chest, now I get to go about my own business. I believe that Christian practices and other spiritual and religious practices, are not exclusive in nature, but inclusive. God created the entire world for everybody.
I’m wondering if one day we’ll see the Literalists/Legalists as some sort of very large cult that has finally been exposed to the light of day.
Thank you once again for this forum, and may God bless us all.
I lost interest in Doreen back in the Steven Farmer days. When her preaching on twin flames so drastically changed After they divorced I started to wonder if she was actually just snake oil. I think there are people who can channel, I’m pretty sure Doreen just believed whatever she made up in her own head. Now she made up a meeting with Jesus and freaked herself out. I also wonder what her relationship had to do with it because she always seemed to glean onto whatever her partners beliefs were and adapt them in.
Freaked herself out. LOL!yep. I know a lot of people wonder if it is snake oil. Sad, because that makes them doubt their own beliefs.
Thank you for your comment!
I am concerned that we are heading in the wrong direction. How did someone who claimed to be in tune with the universe become so intolerant? People should have the right to believe as they please without being judged. Spirituality is individual. Religion is personal. I don’t believe Jesus wants his name connected to such intolerance. Born again Christians, quite frankly, freak me out a bit. Too radical, too puritan, too unforgiving for my taste.
Disturbing how someone who claimed to be in tune with the positive in the universe is now recanting all she preached and using judgment as to her new approach. People have a right to believe as they please. Spirituality is an individual path to be followed in any way a person believes it gives them comfort. I don’t believe the Jesus I was raised to believe in would appreciate the negativity and judgment that is being spewed out by these individuals that claim they “found” him. I find people hiding their hatred behind the name of Jesus deplorable. Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and tolerance.
Let’s not blast our way back to ignorance. We should be smarter than that.
If Doreen wants to do an about turn and decide to renounce the things she previously so enthusiastically believed in, that’s her choice, but, to now claim that it’s all evil and demonic is just crazy. She’s not doing herself any favours.
Her religion isn’t the only one in the world, in fact paganism was around way before Christianity came along.
Why can’t she live and let live? She now believes in Jesus and the bible, but that doesn’t make her right and everyone else wrong. We are all different, and we all are entitled to our own beliefs.
To me, what’s more important is that somebody is a good, kind and caring person, whatever they might believe in, but to tell people they are demons if they don’t agree with her or what she’s now preaching doesn’t make her a kind person in my eyes.
I’m personally putting it down to the fact that she’s lost the plot, and I shall continue to use oracle cards, send reiki healing to people, and send light and love into the world!
Yep. I agree with you 100%. Keep doing the work and let her fall off her rocker all she wants!
With kind regards and blessings,
I certainly will.
I don’t want to give her any money, but I have just bought her unicorn oracle cards.
I will use them for the highest good of my followers, and in love and light. I was so annoyed when I saw what she’s now saying about unicorns, stupid woman!
You speak of acceptance, love and kindness, and at the same time you say, “let her (Doreen) fall off her rocker all she wants!” You are a hypocrite, and should be ashamed of yourself! Seriously, you need to read the Bible, so you realize how sinful you are being, and ask for forgiveness love and kindness through Jesus. Blessings and prayer for you
Oh wow. Thanks for your comment, Lin. I’m probably NOT going to consult with the Bible about the “sins” you feel that I have committed. I’m keeping that between God and myself.
Have a blessed day!
What is so disappointing and scary is that not only did it sting to have one of my favorite authors do a complete 180 but my fiancé just currently did a 180 as well. He says my practice in reiki are demonic, one of his idols Esther Hicks, he now believes she’s possessed by a demon. Like what?? It’s so confusing and breaks my heart. Something inside me when he goes on and on how we are all fallen and I have demons inside me…. says this with a straight face, no malice but he believes this is “truth”.
I haven’t done much research about Jesus nor do I read the Bible but…. something inside me just feels sadness what I hear Doreen and my fiancé rant on about all this stuff… something inside me says this isn’t right but who am I to prove them wrong? It just saddens me.
I’m so glad I found this blog, to be honest with the changes with my fiancé I’ve been feeling really alone and have that constant fear of that when he looks at me he sees a “sinner” or “demon worshiper”. It’s been really hard and I feel like I don’t know him anymore. After 8 years of him being my other half and best friend.
It hurts me that they think people who want to spread love and light in the world are doing satins work. Doesn’t make any sense to me.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way.
Blessings to you all
I’m so sorry that you are going through that, Amanda. Your fiancé changing his opinion so drastically must hurt.
I wish you all the best. As you said, we are only trying to spread more love and light in the world. That, to me, isn’t evil at all.
With kind regards and blessings,
Hi Amanda, so sad to hear this about your fiancé, my first thought is that given his 180 degree about turn in thinking perhaps he is not the man you are meant to spend your life with?
Could be that there is someone else who will come into your life as your true soul mate?
Great point, Heather! I agree wholeheartedly. When your life partner changes so much, it might be a sign about what the future holds…
Indeed. Sue is right. Love and light is not evil. I am finding that these times- the turmoil in our country and in the world- this is causing people to cling with a vice grip to anything they think is steady. And the old guard Christian viewpoint has deep roots. Believing Source/God comes to us in many ways means the earth is round and not flat. Flat is the old school belief system and people are turning around to those old beliefs out of fear. The irony is they are then standing firm in a fear-based belief system. Fear causes people to retreat into an old set of beliefs that is rooted in fear. It is very circular thinking and that is why it is difficult to have a reasonable conversation with people who do this sort of about face.
It is a fear-based conversion or so it seems (or financially driven)…
Thank you for your comment!
Dear Amanda, please forgive me for saying this, but as I see it, your fiancé cannot truly love you if he can turn against you now and say those hurtful words.
I believe everything happens for a reason, and maybe this is the universe’s way of letting you know he’s not the man for you?
It might be time to let go and move on lovey x
I’m a reiki therapist and all I can say is, this wonderful healing therapy comes from light and love, how can that be evil?
It helps people, and brings them comfort, how can that be wrong?
You are not evil or wrong, x
I agree with you totally. When you are working for the good of a person/that person’s highest and greatest good, how can that be evil?
I didn’t use to believe in angels. To me there was God, Jesus, and our spiritual guides, the spirits of other earthlings that had evolved to beings of light and love, and were assisting us, incarnated souls that were not on the same level of evolution. I believed that these spirits, once they attained a very high level of evolution, were what we called angels. Listening to Doreen and other Hayhouse speakers, l started believing in archangels. Then Doreen renounced all of her previous work. Then she went on Radleigh Valentine’s show (l think they call that episode, “Why can’t we all be friends”) to explain her decision. I was like, it’s okay. She’s moving on a different direction but she’s respectful of others. That did have an impact on me. I would every now and then see something by her on social media – like when she says we should pray to God and God will send us angels to help us, we should not ask angels or spiritual guides for help. And then my cat, whom l always pray for, got ill. That was a blow. I was sad and vulnerable and started questioning whether whether she was right. Whether l should stop asking angels and spiritual guides, my late grandmother, for guidance. So l went to her website and saw the insane blogs where she calls everything that is self exploratory, healing and empowering as demonic. So Radleigh is serving the “devil”? So is her daughter-in-law? Denise Lynn? So was Louise Hay? Wayne Dyer? My parents who are mediums? The mediumship healings l have seen were works of the devil? So yoga is the work of the devil? NO WAY! How very convenient to profess that anyone who is a free thinker and does not believe in hell and believes God gave us power to surpass our fears and elevate ourselves is a sinner and will go to hell. How convenient to profess that anyone that believes in any representation of the Divine that does not equal to orthodox “christian” teachings is a sinner and will go to hell. That sounds a lot like manipulation and brainwashing. That sounds a lot like dictatorship. “You either are with me or you go to hell”. I wish Doreen healing. I wish Jesus will help her walk away from this fog she is immersed in. One day she might.
I’m relating my experience because l used to trust Doreen and l was influenced by her new persona in moments of pain and vulnerability. Perhaps something similar happened to your fiancé. But we are ultimately responsible for our actions and decisions. And as much as it may hurt you, Amanda, if you cannot help your fiancé, you may need to do what honours you. Much love to you and the ones dear to you.
Thank you for pointing out everything I think about her. Since I have been following Doreen for years, I was influenced a little by her new conversion to Christianity, but my gut was telling me ”she’s wrong.” I have to thank her for that article because it confirmed and reassured what I felt about her. I unfollowed her on all social media and left messages to wish her the best. Thanked her for all the wonderful work before and introduced Radleigh Valentine into my life.
I know all of this has put me through the mill, perhaps that is refining like alchemy.
There seems to be archetypes, our energy is not solely our own.
Politics are everywhere…policies.
I have been needing to come to terms with my own spiritual policy with all of this.
For myself, I have decided that spiritual is inclusive, all flavors, once again.
P.S. I thought the way the angel cards were treated was a bit ‘over the top’ so to speak, the way they were presented.
Cards are a tool, not something you get all fancy schmancy about, giving too much power to. The purpose is to help clarify one’s own intuitive abilities or ‘gut knowing’.
Perhaps, that’s all that was meant by this ‘idol worship’ business, the rest being extreme reactivity through the human system.
Compassion for one another includes having compassion for the reactive ones.
Just the same, because of the archetypes it is now stirring up, I do not plan on using that one card deck or having it inside my home at this time. Dowsing works, too…
I think that she really, really marketed angels and the angel cards well – but it did get to be WAY too much in too short of a time, for sure!
And you are right about tarot being a tool. They are paper and ink in a box with pictures, at the end of the day. We are the ones holding the power and they -— when used properly — help us to connect with God and our Higher Wisdom. Perhaps that’s what people should be talking about when they talk about using tarot.
Thank you for your comment.
Thanks for your article, I feel the same way. I am grateful to Doreen’s previous work and radio show (as well as other spiritual teachers) for helping me through some difficult times and encouraging personal growth. I also don’t resonate with all of her teachings such as being vegan and other things. I stopped following her years ago, as the changes started. I am shocked that her message is now fear-based judgmental fanaticism, condemning some of my beliefs which her teachings played a part in. She seems to have attracted a demon or attachment or perhaps it is all financially motivated. I feel conflicted and confused as I look at the stack of books, cards, digital podcasts, videos, classes and memories of seeing her in person – they brought me so much hope and joy. I am not sure what I will do with them, are they tainted now? A part of me feels betrayed and regrets spending so much money and time on her products and having given them as gifts. I send her light, love and prayers and am thankful for the positive impact her old work had on my life.
I don’t think her teachings would be tainted. It’s all information that is available in many different places, so it’s not unique to her. We all make our work through our own energy.
Thank you for your comment! I hope that your work continues to be positive and hopeful.
Doreen mentions owing back taxes a lot on her blog saying money from her book sales will go to charities and back taxes. Every New Ager I know who gets rich screws up their taxes and owes. But I think she wants to be a preacher and get tax exempt status and go where the money is. Christians have more money. and I think she mentions the back taxes knowing the IRS is watching her public blog
I haven’t been watching her videos anymore. Her new direction doesn’t match my path, so there is no reason for me to.
I didn’t realize that she was so far behind. It makes me sad to see that she might have mismanaged her money so badly that she’s got problems.
Thank you for your comment!
I feel you are right on target. She is a good marketer and I would not be surprised if she had her own church in a short time. Why could she not just make her decision and withdraw for a while to digest her experience which I feel she made up….sorry.
Listening to her explaining and talking about demons etc made me nauseated and felt like lies.
She should just be quiet and deal with her own demons and get healthy. She seems to be addicted to have followers and can not be quiet or alone. I am not buying her manipulations and I think it is a wake-up call. There are so many phonies in every profession and we are just tested.
Be true to yourselves !
Sue, thank you for your blog posts and your comments section. I feel like it has been therapeutic. 🙂
I haven’t been following Doreen closely over the past years, but have purchased many of her books and products, which have brought me a lot of joy and healing. I was even listening to her on Hay House Radio, way back when they first started.
After seeing, what seemed like uncharacteristic instagram posts from what I had seen before, I finally realized something was different.
After finding out about the conversion, I felt (and still feel) very heart broken. I just kept thinking “What happened to this lady?”
Authors and their teachings can be very 2 different experiences. I have gained great knowledge from people’s books and teachings, only to find out the person is, in the end, and just human, with their own faults.
Everyone’s experience is different. This is part of what I gained from her teachings. So to see someone that was so accepting of all different traditions and modalities do a 180 to absolutism and intolerance is very saddening.
For whatever reasons she went in this direction, which we may or may not know about, I hope that she is happy and is getting what she wants out of this experience. People do change. I have accepted that.
It is just very heart breaking.
I grew up Catholic, so I have experienced my share of guilt and shaming from the institution that was supposed to be guiding my faith in God. But in the end, the church was lead by people, who are in the end, just human.
I can say that I gained a lot from what Doreen shared in the past. I am finding in the end, with spiritual and new age teaching, or any knowledge sharing or philosophy, I see what resonates with me. If it does, I keep it, if not, I continue my search and learning.
Thanks again Sue for having a place for us to share.
You’re welcome, Joan. This has affected a lot of people. She influenced so many and helped them to change their lives for the better.
It’s an honor to host the conversation and give people space to work through this change.
I feel that the visitation itself may quite possible have come from an unsavory entity. Really-who would benefit from people who are accessing their spirituality by using their intuition, love, kindness, inclusion, “new age” practices, etc. suddenly denouncing all of it to become “Christian” – and declaring all of it “evil”? Christ’s teachings, when viewed almost (and even) literally, demonstrate his ability to access the personal power that we all have as spiritual beings, extensions of Ultimate Source and All-That-Is – God, if you will. Christ himself has even said that we all could do the things that he could do – he never put himself above others, even though he had no doubts about who he really was: a child of God.
What about all of the people who paid Doreen many thousands of dollars to become certified as Angel Practitioners, and used that certification to gain clients and build their personal “new age” business by helping others? To sow seeds of doubt among those who supported you and believed in you , possibly causing them to greatly reduce or eliminate the income that they had been generating while practicing your methods does not seem very loving, kind, or truly “Christian” to me. We need to send her some loving energy to help her heal–I believe she has withstood a psychic spiritual attack of the worst kind…
It does seem like it, doesn’t it, Annie. I agree. The peaceful, helpful service that many are offering is the opposite of evil. And really, these tirades are quite the opposite of the teachings of Jesus.
Thank you for your comment.
The same time Doreen Virtue shocked the world with her comments, my friend and spiritual mentor started acting the same way. My friend and former angel medicine teacher who once gently reassured me on my spiritual journey, now spouts words such as “blasphemy ” ” witchcraft” “demon infested”. The worst part about it is that she claims that she was chosen by God to serve and fight. She tried to force me to take more healing classes and book more healing sessions that I don’t need. She claimed that i would never be a true healer and would always be beneath her. She started telling me that my psychic and reiki was evil and put me down at every chance. She acted vindictively and claimed that to collect my healing certificates I would need to spend $9,000.00 and write pages and pages of essays. She did this to only me, while telling me that I was nothing compared to her. She claimed that in thirty years I would still be nothing. I have other healer friends who were shocked by this treatment. I cut all contact with this person and feel so sad and lost. My dad also died the same time,and my mom is transitioning due to old age. I still want to believe and practice and keep my intuitive ways. I’ve been hiding in the psychic closet for over forty five years, I don’t want to end the beauty and magic that is innately in me. Thank you for your column and I thank everyone in this community.
Wow! I’m so sorry to hear that you ended up with such a horrible “teacher”. Of course, you can still do your work – the work you are meant to do – without the approval of this person.
There are a LOT of great, beautiful teachers out there helping others work with their gifts. I wish you find the perfect match.
Thank you for your views. It is exactly how I feel. From 2004 I was drawn to spirituality, Doreen was the key to my spiritual journey as I loved and purchased a few Oracle packs and books over the years to guide me… my question is how do I still channel with them knowing the creator of the cards no longer believes in what she created worldwide.
Those energies and entities exist no matter if Doreen believes in them or not. If you’ve been able to channel and contact them, they are still available.
I hope that helps!
Kind regards and blessings,
Hi I’ve been doubting myself (and very confused and honestly fearful of doing what I love incase I upset god and bring in evil )…and all that I believe in since Doreen virtue started this but always had this niggling doubt that something not quite right with her ..just can’t put my finger on it ..
So thank you for writing this it’s made me feel so much better and just the message I needed
I’m glad that you feel better after reading this, Amanda. It’s been a hard pill for many to swallow. We can only control ourselves and the things that we do/say/share. We can pray for her, but live in and create a positive, loving space for ourselves. Her fear doesn’t have tob e contagious.
With kind regards and blessings,
Great read thank you, Sue, I am glad that there are still people posting awareness and support regarding Doreen’s turn around. She let off a bomb that has caused utter devastation to millions and caused a whole collective of sensitives and empaths to now live in doubt and fear and that’s not healthy for these types of souls. Even the way she dresses now. Its like an episode from the Handmaidens tale seeing and hearing her talk and lecture. I cringe sadly. But you can only pity her in truth. Pity with compassion and hope she figures out her own crisis of faith and can heal.
In truth, when she started faltering on her journey there were many early signs in the way she started to change. I have been in this profession much longer than her, so when she arrived on the New Age scene, I was always a little worried as she flooded the New Age arena with her beliefs, products, lectures and workshops that I would say to people; ”Do not become too attached to this lady and her teachings. She is rising and will take a mighty fall taking everyone with her”
There has always been this air of insecurity and doubt in her when you saw her live or via her videos. I did a few readings on her regarding where she is at. The devil was the card that was her significator in most readings. Or it came up in the area of factors to consider. Now the devil in modern times can mean mental health issues. money issues as well as extreme fear and scam and con artists. Addiction and being possessed by something not right.
She could well be playing an elaborate hoax to gain the support of the religious and then when done, she could turn around again. People love a sob story of; rise, fall and rise again. She may make millions from this.
She may also have some severe mental health issues and has a fear the world is ending and so we must turn to God and repent.
Whatever has brought this on, I suspect she is about to launch her biggest bomb yet.
I have been in damage control since this all happened with people who know me and my work asking for my opinion and advice. All we can do is see where this avalanche will take her and her followings.
I have read in a few arenas people seeking legal action to get their money back from the workshops she did. That may cost her millions plus the emotional hurt she caused. The devil could actually be that karma has come back to bite her on the ass.
Again thank you for this article. Namaste
Thank you for your comment, Lee! I totally agree with you on so many levels. Even when I volunteered for her, I found her a little… off… Radleigh was always warm, bright, and angelic.
Now more than ever, it’s time to stand in the love and in spreading positive, hopeful, and INCLUSIVE messages. Her new way of doing things is like you said, like a scene from a dystopian movie.
I’m glad that you are lending an ear and shoulder to those who were jolted by her transformation.
With kind regards,
I am just wondering, if she is truly portraying signs of mental illness it would seem her publishers would not be signing her on so readily and with so many projects unless of course, the publishers are supporting her about face to garner the attention of the religious right-Christian readership…
Although I just noticed that her Christian books published by Hay House are available on Amazon but are not on the Hay House website… interesting.
I cannot believe that Hay House would still support her after what she did to them and all her fans – but then I suppose they would see potential ( $$$$ ) in any new things she did . As for people suing her to get money back from workshops especially her last few ones – good on them since their certificates ( and my own two certificates ) are absolutely worthless now.
Maybe all this is result of Doreen trying to reconcile all the different faces/personas she puts on over the years and failing – who knows .
The certificates might not mean anything anymore, but I have to wonder if you still learned and grew in your spiritual/psychic energies as a result of taking the courses. Personally, I know that I did and it opened pathways for me and deepened/strengthened some of my gifts. I hope that you can find some good in having taken her courses.
Thank you, DeeAnna. It’s always good to shift the perspective to gratitude, right?
Yes , you are right Sue , I am grateful that I did further developed my psychic abilities at her courses . I could focus more on my gratitude than my disappointment in Doreen . At the time I was looking at youtube for “nature devas and angels” and somehow that video of Doreen’s ” how to leave the New Age ” showed up in the background and that set me off in a negative mood ! Apologies .
No apologies necessary, Michele! We’ve all been processing this in our own ways – and it has brought up a LOT of negative feelings and self-doubt for a lot of people. I’m sorry that I didn’t allow you your space to be angry about it. I hope that you can move quickly through that into your own power.
Hay House dropped her last year, and she has been working actively to remove remaining inventory of her items around the world. She’s posted videos about this, including a lot of info about how her family has abandoned her and how she’s not making money.
As Radleigh once said, the teacher is not the teachings. A very good lesson to all to not become attached to a person. Don’t give your power to anyone, especially teachers/gurus.
Excellent response, Mara. I feel the same as Radleigh about the teeachings versus teacher.
Thank you for commenting!
Blessings to you all and thanks for this discussion Sue 🙂
I learned so much through Doreen and will be forever grateful for that.
I sensed something was off as they were expanding their number of animals, then moving to a larger property (all documented through Instagram)… when I knew (for me) something was really wrong was when Doreen starting “auctioning” off her clothes, jewelry, and card decks from her weekly video readings. As someone with a career history in the nonprofit world (knowing the legalities of official 501c3 organizations), this felt out of integrity to me that she & Michael were seeking “donations” to support their animals by selling items. And at that time, I wondered if ego for this huge animal ranch overtook rational financial decisions. To each their own, that was just a red flag for me, and that’s when I stopped following her.
Also, I met Doreen twice in person – once without Michael (prior to that relationship) and once with him. The time she was with Michael there just seemed to be a lot of fear in her, and I couldn’t understand it. Energetically and physically she was sort of standing behind him. I’m not blaming anyone here – just observing what I felt with her before that relationship started and after (and from only 2 interactions). Again, just what I felt/sensed.
Whatever has happened and is going on for her, I wish her truth, freedom, and fulfillment. I know she helped a lot of people (me included) in her previous professional life, and I’ll always be grateful for that.
love + light to you all 🙂
Thank you for your comment, Cindy! I didn’t follow her social media so closely, so I missed her auctioning off items from her collection. It does seem like money mismanagement, but, like you, I just don’t know.
All I know is that I did learn a lot from her books and teachings. I also got a sense something was “off” about her when I volunteered for her, but really, she did have a demanding schedule. Only she really knows the full truth.
Personally, I’d prefer to stand in love and acceptance – and magic – than in fear and condemnation.
Kind regards and blessings,
Just reading your post now, as I have been catching up with the latest on Doreen Virtue and her latest A to Z list of everything evil about the New Age.
I think you actually hit the nail on the head when you picked up the fear in her, in relation to her husband.
I remember attending one of her angel intuitive courses many years ago, just before she denounced all her beliefs. After it was finished, we stepped outside to chat with Doreen. It was then I sensed that same fear in her, and a very strong, dark, sinister and controlling energy emanating from her husband. I am extremely sensitive to energy, despite outward appearances. I felt physically ill being near him and had to leave. This energy was not of the light. I picked up on her fear instantly, and could sense that she was being controlled by her husbands dark energy.
The dark forces do exist. They are cunning and try to extinguish the light. She has mentioned an earlier relationship she was involved in, which involved domestic violence and control. She appears to be strong, but she is actually very easily led, and seeks love in all the wrong places. Her husband, unfortunately, has her under his control.
I believe she was on the right path originally. She had good intentions, but as she became more influential, and her teachings of the light spread and touched many, the darkness stepped in and shut her down. This has also resulted in many lightworkers questioning their own beliefs. This is what the darkness wants tk gain control of the masses.
Please follow your heart and gut instincts. They will always lead you to the light. Do not worship gurus or follow dogma. Be silent, the truth is within you.
Love and light to you all.
I must Thank You for taking action and writing your piece in response to what we can all read on Doreen’s website. It has been a while since I looked her up, I was confused by her postings after 2017. Tonight I looked and felt horrified! Quite shaken personally, really. So I looked up people’s responses and found yours… relief… thanks again.
I did notice in the past, when Doreen was still a free-thinking and strong woman, that she kept mentioning how she had all these husbands/partners who she tried to please and save… and through her weekly videos it was obvious her current husband was increasingly having and enforcing his influence. Also it became evident (from his sloganed T-shirts even more than his words) that he was a hard-core Christian.
So perhaps history repeating itself?
In any case, like all the rest of the contributors here, I’m left feeling most unsure about all those Doreen books in my bookcase. What are we supposed to feel?
I guess it’s time to wish her well and let her go.
I do not know Doreen personally, but her story is all too familiar. I was once a church secretary, missionary, teacher, evangelist and all around preaching type of Christian. It was my identity; I was the very core of me. I toured around the country working along side of famous speakers and musical artists to share the Gospel. I still believe in the saving grace of God; I believe in God. I believe in the Golden Rule, but I do not ascribe nor endorse to the contemporary methodology of trying to save another person’s soul or missionary work. I left the modern-day church culture long ago, but I did not leave God.
What I do know and whether or not Dorren knows this, she has wrapped herself into the teachings of manhood, not of God. Speaking to dead is biblical. Card readings is another form of Bblical prophecy, and I can go on and on. Through her previous work in the spiritual realm, she has been swooped up by churches and paraded around as “look at what we caught!”. She will soon know and realize that she is nothing more than a trophy to that culture and that has NOTHING to do with her relationship with Jesus.
In her mind, she believes she is doing the right and saving souls. Been there, done that – and pointed my fingers many times to show for it. There will come a time that Doreen will wake up and realize that her finger pointing was nothing more than biblical UNtruths and her actions are not of God. She has blinders on, and that is VERY common with new believers. I
As I always say, “I walked out of those church doors into the arms of God”
I work as a Card Reader, Psychic, Medium, Animal Communicator and Angel Communicator. I confronted her on Twitter about NOT reading the Bible and realizing that what she holds in her hands is writing of man who decided what was written, not every word that should be in there is there. Of course, she ignored my tweets to her and kept on her evangelizing. A simple research into Martin Luther of centuries ago will show you how he rewrote the (protestant) bible that is most accepted now. It was vastly different before he got his hands on it. The Bible is a guide but it is not all…cannot be all. It was written by human’s, we are not perfect beings.
I have every belief that Doreen will find her balance, not for awhile. She is too wrapped up on the culture and when that honeymoon period wears off, she will also be disgusted by the culture – but have a renewed faith in God and Jesus.
Excellent response, Charlene Laura. Seems like you know the routine all too well. As you said, though – It’s God’s place to judge us and she is likely hoping that she is doing the right thing and “saving” others. The Bible was written and rewritten by men, as you said. It, like us, is imperfect. We can only try to do our best.
With kind regards,
I just stumbled upon this post actually looking for her $5 card sale that is on Hay House usually around this time I believe…
I agree with you, especially coming from a strict Catholic background (almost became a nun) I know how much Mary & the angels mean to me & people of religious faith.
I’m very sensitive. I’m a medium & a lightworker going through the levels of Reiki & really enjoying it. Doreen BROUGHT me here. Whether or not I bought into unicorns or anything else that didn’t spark my interest, she got me going on this beautiful spiritual path that has led me to the most AMAZING people I’ve ever met.
I just want to say I support you & this community of people are hurt but they are humanitarians, bringers of light, loving human beings that will continue on without her. I just hope that this doesn’t impact the paths of those that would have come into this community but won’t find it because she’s not there & she’s rejected it publicly.
In light & love,
As a former evangelical, this doesn’t surprise me. I just went on her website and was stunned at the change in her physical appearance, let alone the ridiculous, fear-based rantings she’s now parroting. She actually looks hollow, empty and internally dead.
By doing this she accomplished 2 things: 1) creating a new income stream from a fear-based audience and thus sustain the rest of her career; 2) her addict self gets to jump on a new bandwagon and embrace the dysfunctional emotionalism that evangelism offers. It’s yet another addiction similar to codependency. Evangelical christianity goes against the bible by teaching others to hate including themselves but they get to look self-righteous in the process. They get a major dopamine rush from this garbage.
It’s sad that she turned out to be a base opportunist but she’s only fooling herself. Evangelicalism will only turn return the emptiness she already possesses.
I so agree with this: Evangelical Christianity goes against the bible by teaching others to hate including themselves but they get to look self-righteous in the process. Seems like Jesus would have been doing things a LOT differently!
I agree with all that you said.
I tried really hard to keep an open mind while checking out Doreen’s rantings (because I respected her work) but when she brought out that “list” it convinced me that she has become a fundamentalist Christian bigot. I can’t help but wonder if someone has gotten to her head, forcing her to make that list. The list is utterly ridiculous and paranoid. I mean, unicorns?
If you wanted to scare people into becoming Christian then what would be one of the most effective ways to do it? Convert one of the most well-known new age figures and get them to do your dirty work.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she does an about-turn in the future. This whole episode could’ve been something she needed to experience.
As an ex New Ager I cannot be happier for Doreen! Having a relationship with Jesus has been the most liberating thing in my life. Knowing I am a child of God takes so much weight from my shoulders and gives me so much peace in my heart.
As a New Ager I was always busy with all the rituals I picked from different religions, always attending different workshops and retreats, always thinking I can be my own god – which was exhausting and just didn’t work on a spiritual level. I was looking for the Truth and I finally found it in Jesus. He healed my heart. I have so much love and peace now, it feels like it’s overflowing 🙂 my NA books, crystals, cards, statues of Buddha etc.went straight to the bin.
She is not following Satan (by the way, sin and Satan don’t exist in the New Age Movement, do they?) and she doesn’t do it for money (she actually tells people NOT to buy her books/cards and her income apparently dropped by around 90% – which is not suprising considering most of her followers were NA). She has finally found the Truth and wants to share it with other people out of love 🙂
I have just finished listening to some of Doreen’s original teachings, she was well ahead of her time. Now the truth is coming out about the children she asked for their protection 8 years ago. She tells us love has already won. Her words are to call in God, devine love, my creator, the angels. Trust, you are safe and you are more protected etc amazing powerful work. Go back and listen and write down her messages as they are all light. Keep quoting the light from her original work. I won’t even open her current work let alone look at it as it repels me to the core. Stay in the light and write down her prayers and rewrite them so that they never leave our history. A few of her amazing channelled messages were recently deleted from the net which speaks volumes. Her messages have always been the light, she also quotes the light has already won thank you God. We continue to pray for the light and mirror back all that is not in devine love, so mote it be stay high vibration as it repels fear and removes all that does not serve you highest good. Rainbow light and blessings
I had to share this… Interesting! Lots of Christians, with Doreen Virtue leading the pack, think Yoga is anti-Christ. This article demonstrates the early Christian church may have had other influences. Imagine that! Christ Consciousness does not discriminate in my opinion. Deep faiths often have multiple influencers. https://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2017/11/yoga-mudras-in-orthodox-christian-art.html
Great input, DeeAnna!
The Christian church DID have a lot of outside influence. Here, in Austria, the earthy roots are very pronounced in the traditions and celebrations. It’s totally interesting to see! It’s a stream of HUMAN influence based on what’s going on with the Earth and human archetypes as well.
Love how this conversation is unfolding!
Oh My Goodness , I wondered if any one in the church could explain away those hand gestures in their religious icons / paintings !
They would probably change the subject if asked because they don’t know the answer .
Very interesting, thanks for sharing .
Dear fellow commenters
What a sad disappointment I am feeling.
So many people paid huge amounts of money for her products, courses, books etc.
Light workers are not the most wealthy of folk yet many paid thousands for a few days with her.
Then all of a sudden what you spent your hard earned money on is being thrown back in your face, with undertones and threats of being evil and the devils work.
I never really “got” Doreen Virtue. I’m glad my intuition proved correct
My spirituality is based on “Treat your neighbour as yourself” and secondly, just in case there’s any ambiguity in that – “Be Kind”
Sending love to all you guys, and keep up the good work in the light…
And to Doreen on her new path I would say “good riddance”
I think Doreen started out this path with the best of intentions. But something caused great fear and she couldn’t deal with it. I’ll pray that she finds a way to deal with the fear. I’m not about to judge her though. As someone said ‘we are here to teach and learn (..) She did the first part well (..) maybe this is the time for her to learn’
If you have spent any time at all in the evangelical “community” or even in the South of the US of A, you will see that Ms. Doreen has literally just glommed onto a top tier evangelical white wash of fear and jealousy. Evangelical Christianity and I am sorry also the “Christ Consciousness” that we often hear spoken of in New Age and spiritual circles is white white white and very easily overpowered with ideas of supremacy; fear of shadow, darkness, the inner connection to source etc.
I personally found from living in the South – and hearing many back stories of people in relaxed states (I was a massage therapist). – that soooooo many people who fall into this very repressive and controlled male -identified christianity have tremendous amounts of chronic PTSD.
Images and abusive memories are deeply protected in so many people in the South, especially if folks were children in deeply Pentacostal or Evangelical churches because there is SOOOO much child abuse of all types. There is so much fear and dread. That is also why some people are so ready to arm themselves and shoot at anything that comes close to them out of this deep fear which is essentially killing them.
The need to keep the subconscious memories at bay creates this terrified way of life. These folks are scared of their own inner self because of so many buried aggressions and twisted thoughts and beliefs perpetrated by a sorry culture of fear.
These communities are deeply disturbed by their own healing processes and will at some time have to face them — but until that very distant time they control, lash out and feel extremely threatened by those who actually have peace and contentment in their own spirituality and ability to deepen into the peace and love that is. Go deep my friends. Find support and let’s know that sometimes healing hurts – but certainly so does fearful repression of the truth.
So, the Christian thing to do would be donate her profits of ‘heresy’…
That might be the Christian thing to do, but I wonder if she will…
Good point, Carolyn.
Blessings to you!
Well yes exactly, its dirty money, obtained from committing devilish acts (according to DV anyway)
But we really don’t know what’s going on with Doreen.
Angels are light beings, thats all I know and all i need to know.
Keeping it simple,
Light and love
I was surprised when I went to her website but then I also thought of this…
Teachers come into our lives when we need them. When we have learned what they came to teach, sometimes they simply move on. Maybe it is simply just that… the teacher has taught us what we needed to learn. Now we need to take the good, useful things that made a positive change in our lives and move on. In our greater awareness and sense of community we can cherish all that we have learned on our fabulous journey.
I absolutely agree!
Thanks for your comment Darlene!
Thank you for this blog I’m feeling better and less sad and confused . I was looking for some of Doreen Virtues fairy orcle cards for a friend and ended up on her new site, I was absolutely floored and not in a good way. Like you mentioned she was a huge part of the beginning of my Spiritual journey twenty years ago. I am a Reiki Master and Holy Fire healer through the International School of Reiki Training with William Lee Rand and with it I feel like I have found something that rings true and positive in my heart for the first time in my life I feel like I’m making a difference in people’s lives and I give my treatments at no charge or I accept donations I am also a Hospice Volunteer. After reading this last night I went to bed with a very heavy heart somewhat confused about my beliefs for the first time in a very long time I have studied Metaphysics, past life, spirit communication for over fourty years. I wonder if she has dropped all of her friendships like what was once a very close friendship with James VanPrague and Hay House Publishing. I wonder if the millions she made in her Metaphysical life with her numerous books and Spiritual products she has burned in a fire pit because it was earned with demonic power or does it still keep her in a really nice life style? She looks to have had a lot of youth giving treatments that I know cost a lot of money. I so appreciate this article I’m feeling so much better for having read it this morning. May God, and the Spirit of the Universe bless us all and all that we do in the Light. Love and Peace
My sweet Christian mother watched the interview of Doreen and Jessica(the converted previous “demonic” yoga teacher)and cried for two days about her Yoga, Reiki daughter(me), who was obviously on her way to hell in a handbasket for helping so many people find peace, joy, and healing. Oiyvey!! How can this kind of judgment be love? I was more angry about her breaking the heart of and scaring the s*** out of my 73-year-old mother than anything. But now as mom has calmed and I have time to think of all of the collateral damage that this has the potential to do, it’s pretty mind-boggling. It’s one thing to change your faith…that is fine and personal but to come out with guns blazing with the intent of whiping out an entire community for not following what you now believe is well…I guess historically accurate for “Christianity”. I feel much empathy for Jesus.
I’m so sorry to hear about your mom. It IS awful for people who don’t know what they are talking about to demonize practices that are good for the body, soul, mind, and spirit. This propaganda that Doreen is spreading can cause harm and do damage to people. That, to me, is the ultimate test of what is “good” or “not good”.
Thank you for your comment!
She might have been attacked by demons, and found out that all her teachings and beliefs did not help much. So taking a different path would certainly make more sense. Whatever path she takes will lead her to freedom, because it’s always her choice.
One never knows what her motivation was. All we can do is be grateful for what we were taught and then move forward with love and light for the community.
Omg bless you and your mum xx I hope peace comes for her xx
Her intolerance and judgement of others is so against what Jesus would have preached so maybe she is a false prophet because she is not spouting out Jesus’ message of love, kindness and acceptance but the Devil’ hatred, fear and exclusion. The one thing I have learned is that no one has any true knowledge of what happens after we die. NDE is compelling but it’s only a possibility and not true evidence of an after life. So, good for her for finding a new faith and spiritual path, but shame on her for shaming everyone for following theirs!
I agree, Chi! We have to stay in the realm of kindness, love, and acceptance. Not one of us knows what happens when we transition, and we aren’t the ones who should stand in judgment over people’s lives.
With kind regards!
Hi, enjoyed reading all the comments, very informative and I love that your community here is mostly saying, “Something is off, we better send her some love!” What a beautiful way to live in this world! I’m working on being that way. I, too, was very comforted by things like working with my angel cards, the books, all the things in her “brand”, and my tarot reader just flat out made life bearable for a long stretch! I’m also a Catholic, and who taught me to read tarot cards? A Jesuit priest philosophy professor! And a kinder, more accepting person you won’t find. For all its bad, there is are things I feel strongly about that relate to the religion I was raised in, and I know so many people who are truly pure GOOD. No big things, they’re not Mother Theresa, but in their way, in the scope of their world, GOOD people who improve the world by being KIND. Love thy neighbor. I once wrote to Doreen after her conversion, and asked if my ex husband – a wonderful, generous, loving person, we just didn’t work as a married couple – was condemned because he is Jewish. Or my mother, a devoted Catholic? Going to Hell? What about the amazing LGBT community where I have so many friends and colleagues? As an answer, I just got that I should work on my own conversion, and pray for theirs, as well. I was taught there are many paths to God. I know I shouldn’t but I feel personally attacked! As a Catholic, as a yoga teacher, as a Reiki practitioner, all I’ve ever wanted to do was be of service. I don’t want to lead anyone to Hell! I’m grateful to find others sharing how this has affected them. Let’s all just try to pray for peace; there are much more important things to worry about, like saving the environment! We all need to come together to tackle that. Peace and love, everyone.
Peace and love to you, Dierdre!
Such wonderful advice. We are all trying our best to make the world a better, kinder, more inclusive space for all of God’s children to thrive. We have to keep our eyes on doing good – in the way that we do, be it with yoga, Reiki, or with the angels!
Peace and love to you!!
Interesting discussion. Doreen explains on YouTube and quotes from the bible chapter 18 verse.10b the reason for her change of path and that she doesn’t want to no longer upset God, so what has she done with all the profits from her sales? Just a thought…
I found of this today after attempting to look up videos of her on YouTube. I cannot believe it! I was so mad at first but after watching an hour and half interview with her and this other person who left the “new age” community, I definitely agree that something happened to her that must have really scared her. That comes with the territory. I feel so terrible for her.
Then I also think she might have been avoiding tax evasion! Crazy! This is between her and her, her god.
Shame on you Doreen Virtue. I believe that you owe people a lot of money back. My mom spent a lot of money going to your certification classes for Angel communications in California and Hawaii. In a private reading, you told my mom that she needed to watch her spending with credit cards. A couple days later, your encouraged my mom to purchase a $1000 crystal wand from a vendor at the certification class, knowing that she would have to put it on her credit card.
In your article you clearly what to prevent people from having all of the gifts that God has in store for us.
Thank you for posting. Some people really need to hear the strength you’ve offered. I don’t know or want to know what she believes now. My life as a light worker is so blessed xx
I am so sorry that Doreen has chosen to take such a massive and radical turn. She was the one I gravitated to, read her books, (first being Light Workers Way), her CD’s, did her 3 day Angel Intuitive course in Brisbane and prior to that was drawn to see her live in Brisbane. Had so many packs Doreens different Angel cards including Unicorn pack. I even personally met the gifted Australian lady who painted so many beautiful art illustrations for Doreen. This was all in the early 2000’s. Up till a few years ago I watched her live feed from her Hawaii home. Unfortunately, I noticed her changing to become more Christian driven and I lost interest as I have never believed in or felt the need to follow a religion. Sadly, her decision to now follow another path tends to make all her amazing spiritual and intuitive work a bit of a mockery. I choose to keep believing in my own spiritual path in-which she was part of way back then. I wish her well and thank Doreen for help show me my spiritual awakening and gifts.
I don’t think it is a mockery. We all have our own unique spiritual path to follow, and hers jotted off in a direction that doesn’t fit for a lot of us. That’s her thing. We all have our own.
I hope your life was positively affected by her teachings and that you can continue to use those positive experiences and what they brought to your life.
Kind regards and blessings,
I wonder what Radleigh Valentine thinks of this conversion of Doreen’s? I’m gonna have to google that…
I call it Spiritual Shaming.
It’s so cruel and so wrong.
Seems that Doreen now has eyes that see and ears that hear. There is absolute Truth. Read the Gospels in the Bible, you don’t seem to know Jesus at all. We are all sinners, Doreen and myself included. Read the Bible with an open mind and heart. Satan is the prince of this world, he is the great deceiver, father of lies. Jesus is the ONLY way. For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son to die for us sinners, so that we might be saved. He forgave us our sins, so we forgive. God is Love. He is holy, righteous, and just. May the scales be removed from your eyes! Peace.
Sorry Suzanne. I disagree with you about your opinion on the topic.
Thank you for your comment, though.
I don’t care whether she’s turned whichever religion she wants to, or new age or whatever. She made A LOT of money doing what she did. Did she denounce the money she made doing what she claims now to be “un-christian”? All that money she made doing ungodly things… did she give them back to the participants in the workshops? To any non-profit? I mean, since she hasn’t been using her angel cards, no angel workshops, and probably doesn’t want anything to do whatsoever with those new-age stuff. Surely she doesn’t want the money she’s earned over the years right…cos they’re ill-gotten…the money made from communing with un-christian spirits.. bla..bla..!!
I went to a weekend retreat in Las Vegas years ago with a friend. She and I both felt Doreen Virtue was fake. She was walking around trying to ACT etheric . It was so bizarre . We both said at the time that we could just feel she was not for real . And now she is born again. She has found that Christianity pays more than New Age . It is as simple as that.
I get what you mean. On both accounts.
Kind regards and blessings,
I think the lesson we can all learn here is that ultimately, we are our own masters. We can love others, and love the work of others, but never place anyone’s light higher than your own. No matter how evolved a human being may be, they are still human.
100%, Ara! Thank you!
I agree. And if I may add to that: yes the mesage/energy of love took form through Doreen at a certain point of time and she then turned away from it later – but that doesn’t make the message less real. Her books and decks, despite the fact that she benefited financially, are a medium for that message, not the message itself. And Doreen is not the message either, she was “just” a vessel. I totally understand the shock and fear that comes from the teacher turning away from it. But that doesn’t change that her students/followers heart resonated with the message (even if some may feel now that they rather resonated with Doreen) and this message/energy is not bound to her at all. And from the many answers here it seems to me that it is clearly still very vocal in the community that worked with her. ❤️ Thanks for the great blog, Sue!
Thank you for your responses, Dan! As you said, many people are “just” vessels for a message that is much bigger than they are. We have to realize that SHE wasn’t the message.
Indeed. The responsibility lays directly upon each of us. Which is our saving grace.
I just read the list about things to avoid. The lack of complexity and diversity and the strength of the binary perspective is indeed mindblowing and the fear that it is built on and wants to induce in people is so strong that it can clearly become seductive. I think I was snapped out of my morbid fascination when I saw the bullet point “Harry Potter”. These books have helped/are helping so many children, that felt alone, outsiders and/or are part of a vulnerable minority to survive until they were adults… funny and very logic that this very mainstream vessel of love makes the rest of the list look ridiculous. And yet it is still indeed very dangerous because of the power of fear that it promotes. Thanks also for one of the comments above that explained the context of religion, fear snd guns in the U.S. I can’t find it anymore, so sorry for not commenting directly below it.
Yep, she’s lost her marbles.
You’re spot on – she’s very fearful and not teaching what Jesus teaches. I’m wondering if she is a personality disordered narcissist. They do nutso things like that. She might have been a sham, and now she’s changed horses because she might give religion a go for a while and be a guru to bible bashers. Who knows. It’s not normal to change a whole belief system that is about the undoing of belief systems!
Unfortunately, Doreen has completely misunderstood both spiritualism and Christianity. That is too sad. I always got a weird vibe from her anyways..
I’m curious to know if Doreen still makes $$$ off any of her product sales. If so, does she burn the demonic money?
I read through her 10 reasons New Age & Christianity can’t blend and #1 “New age glorifies the self”… isn’t my body a temple to house the holy ghost? So shouldn’t I be taking care of said temple instead of abusing it?
Personally, I think her conversion is a sham and she’s off to sell snake oil to the Christians now. If it’s not a sham, then she’s turned into a bitter, hateful woman as she ages. Maybe she needs to read through Louise Hay’s “You Can Heal Your Life”. I know plenty of Christians who have gotten an immense amount of personal growth from that book combined with their faith. She gonna tell them they are “Christianing” wrong?
I spent 20 years in the new age and came to accept Jesus as my Lord and saviour a couple of years ago, which took a few years of resisting. I was still practicing some aspects of the NA, like affirmations, as I saw no harm as long as they don’t glorify myself instead of God. Recently I read “The light that was dark” which helped me to see how deep the deception is in the NA, and how “A Course in miracles” (a book that I loved and lived by for years) is actually the bible upside down and very ant-Christ Jesus in the bible (if you actually read the bible). Jesus actually warns about false prophets and that people will claim to be him, just like the entity claiming to be ‘Jesus’ in this channelled book. We are to test the spirits (as instructed in scripture) in case they are demonic spirits masquerading as angels of light – all those not sent from God will never proclaim Jesus came to the earth in flesh and that He is their Lord. This is also why using Jesus’ name during a psychic attack is so powerful. Also, I don’t rely on my inner-guidance anymore as I’ve come to realise that feelings/vibrations can be deceitful. Spirits can be very cunning, they want us to feel that they’re of a higher frequency and therefore not harmful, so the only litmus test that is effective is Jesus Christ. One of the best tricks the devil uses is to make people believe that he doesn’t exist in the first place. I used to think that the bible was outdated and was used to promote a fear based agenda (it is in some churches unfortunately, I pray for them), but when I actually started to read it, over time God kindly and gently revealed Himself to me and I saw the truth. Jesus (the biblical Jesus) is the only way, there is no middle ground, you’re either with him or against him, and unfortunately, much of the new age teachings promote that there is a middle ground which doesn’t exist.
So, what you’re saying is that you no longer believe in developing self trust? That it makes more sense to you that there is an insidious demon there, working to trick you at all costs? That an all powerful God is ready to just throw anyone and everyone who doesn’t follow Jesus to the pits? And what of all the souls who came before Jesus, they’re just sol too?
How about a truly all loving God that accepts EVERYONE. Inclusivity. Compassion. Love. This is what God speaks to me in my heart.
Exactly! Thank you for your comment, Michelle!
P.S. Christians believe Catholics are misguided. They use the pope as their authority whereas Christians use scripture as authority. There are several other big differences, like their belief about salvation. But to address the statues, they go against God’s commandments by worshiping other Gods and creating idols. As nice and harmless as it seems to pray to the saints or even to Mary, Jesus’ mother, there’s nowhere in scripture that says this is ok, we are to pray directly to Him and give no adoration to anyone else. Statues in themselves are not necessarily harmful, but can become idols if too much importance or adoration is given to them, which happens a lot in the Catholic Church.
Yes but Catholics and Protestants killed themselves still not long ago in Ireland and during centuries for those stupidities. I had a Swiss grand mother protestant and a French grand mother Catholic. It is mostly geographic. The married Pasteur in my Swiss village sexually abused his two Indian adoptive Indian children! So… Lots of married man abused children. The positive of Catholics having art in the churches is that it promoted artists for centuries. My Romanian friends are very into icônes. It is Geographic.
I loved both of my grandmothers. Same Bible. Both religious. But radically different interpretations. What is awful now it is some Christians sects in Africa killing kids. And when I traveled in Jordan so the Christians for example had crime of honor if a girl would marry a Muslim. It was 3 years ago.
All religions are very dangerous. And sadly Doreen from a free bird flying here and there and seeing Jesus in real got trapped. I guess it is Geographic. Just the place where she is living at the moment.
However to make money with angels is dangerous. I had a teacher making money with angels who got shot in a robbery.
Doreen certainly is feeling guilty for something she did in her past. She was very commercial. I think it is great that she realized all this.
She is petrified and fearful of what will happen to her after she will die.
To be judged
I can respect this.
Unfortunately by criticizing unicorns, she is going in the dark and after life for her might not be fun, if she is so scared of Angels and is running away from them after life, she will get stuck in the middle for a little moment.
I had an argument with a lady who got a Doreen Virtue degree and was calling what she was doing her business. I found it shocking. Angels cannot be a business!
A doctor has patients and a cabinet.
Why angel therapists should have clients and a business???
How would you call this?
I was a “born again” Christian (Bible College, Ministry Coordinator at an Evangelical Church, etc) and have since gone through a deconstruction… which feels like a maturing. I only “knew” Doreen from her book “Divine Magic” about the Kybalion, but I was still a bit shocked to find her change. I left the evangelical church because there wasn’t love there. There is only fear and self-righteousness… the very things that Jesus spoke against with the Pharisees and Sadducees. Hearing this about Doreen caused me to process if leaving the church was the right path for me. Is their fear based teaching rightly so? Was I wrong to leave? And I came back to how God is love for me and how much more love there is down other paths verses how unhealthy what the evangelical church teaches is. The Holy Spirit is still my “spirit guide” in the same way it always was. I don’t know why Doreen switched paths. I do find it interesting that she didn’t give all her money away. If you felt like you made millions on the “devils work”, I don’t see how you could keep it. There is SO much guilt in the evangelical world that I don’t think you could keep a clear conscious with that money. (I know… I destroyed all my “secular” cd’s in college. ha.) Christians love their poster children of the wicked turning to Jesus. So she can easily make more money.
I agree with you. God is more love than fear and/or guilt to me, as is Jesus. Some of the recent pivots to Christ I’ve seen are more about money and powerful support than they are about leading Christ-like lives. Or at least that’s how it looks from my perspective.
Thank you for your comment!
Is it possible that she’s experiencing marital abuse? Wouldn’t that account for her fear?
I suggested something along those lines earlier, her latest husband is a very Svengali type figure and seemed to me to be quite controlling. He filmed her videos, and what the content was. It seems to me that everything stemmed from her involvement with him, from the auctioning off of her beautiful colourful clothes to the selling off of her animal sanctuary. Seems to me that her new husband has had a hand in everything that she does.
As an observer from Scotland, it seems to me that America is gripped in some sort of collective madness, firstly in the choice of president , and then with fundamental Christians endorsing his actions. Totally bewildered by it all to be honest!
My earlier post was very much along this line of thinking too!
Of course that WHY a woman like her would allow herself to end up in such a marriage is baffling, but she herself said many times that in her previous three marriages she was the ‘rescuer’ (not quoting here). Perhaps in this one she has repeated that pattern but with a vastly different outcome.
You’ll figure it out, or you won’t.
Your disappointment has nothing to do with the reality of TRUTH and DECEPTION.
She woke up, I’m glad she did.
I was embroiled in that “new age” garbage for years until I woke up (a bit before Doreen) as well.
Angels were written about and described thousands of years ago, we don’t get to come along and make up a false version of them. They are what they are, and no they might not fit your cozy, comfy, rainbows and unicorns narrative, but GOD gave us his WORD on who and what they are. Doreen finally figured this out.
https://youtu.be/5MtAljtQe3M in this video it is not clear if she is still keeping the money. I heard she doesn’t but it is not clear to which charity she gave her money. For me Doreen is feeling guilty of her past. I am not sure she saw angels maybe more that she was writing stories about other people. So it might not have been her own experience. And so she saw Jesus and felt guilty.
It is her choice. It is just showing that you should always have your own experience. My half sister is a certified Doreen Virtue therapist. I just had a conversation about it for the first time a few days ago. She cannot care less. Saying that she has her own solid connection with Jesus Christ and the angels, and so that it didn’t touch her. And yes the direct connection is the most important.
What I find really sad is that I think the old testament is a very violent book. And it has nothing to do with the new testament. I feel sad that Doreen didn’t bring anything more clever and absolutely no self criticism about the horrific history of cruelty of Christianity and that it is still on today in dozen of countries.
I fully agree with you Jim. Very nicely written. 🙂
I have to wonder, what is it about your perspective that causes you to speak in such an entitled, self righteous, and dismissive manner?
Diversity is key to the ongoingness of God. It use to be key in America as well…. you remember, religious freedom and all that?
So those of us who don’t hold the same views as you, as Doreen now does, don’t have it “figured out”. Huh.
Well, to co-opt a phrase you may be familiar with, I’ll pray for you. Perhaps at some point your heart will open.
One thing that is annoyingly hypocritical of the New Age community is how some of them are as pushy with their beliefs as a lot of Christians. And a lot of them are foolishly judgmental. Mostly the LA Conscious clusters I’m speaking of. Because I don’t wear gemstone jewelry, flowing clothes, and smell like nag champa they judge me like crazy. All I can do is laugh. I’ve been a Pagan witch for 33 years. To hear them say, “Write down what you want for the universe.” “you experience pain because you chose it in this life,” is hilarious. I don’t worship the sun. It makes me tired. The moon on the other hand… When this group of new agers tried to get me to do their “sun worshiping,” I said it wasn’t for me. Instead of accepting that, they said, “maybe not today, maybe tomorrow.” Can’t I be different from them?
I was raised a Southern Baptist and my uncles and cousins were preachers. I sang in the choir. We had Sunday and Wednesday service. Revivals. In case there’s anyone who thinks they’re entitled to “save” me, don’t bother.
As far as Doreen. Her net-worth is over 5 million. Maybe she’ll donate it all to the church or charity since it was demons who made it for her. Her hands will be clean then. Her posts on IG are inflammatory and don’t really represent what my idea of Jesus’s teaching were. I always thought of him as kind person who accepted others. You have every right to be disappointed in Doreen’s behavior.
I read lots of Doreen Virtue’s books and even though the book was about fairies or angels there was always a running dialogue about the man in her life. First, Michael wasn’t new agey enough so she dropped him. Then, she married Steven Farmer, a shamanic healer and author. Not sure, if he was too new agey, but she defines herself by the men she associates with and fell in with this fire and brimstone dude, her latest husband, who convinced her she was going to hell. I feel very sorry for Doreen that she can’t just be enough for herself.
Even though I enjoyed her books and oracle cards, there were times I thought she was faking it. Maybe I am wrong about the husbands and this is who she always was. I feel sorry for her son who was basically her business manager. As for the rest of us who were let down, it can be a discerning experience. I used to scold myself for thinking Doreen was fake. I guess I should have respected by own intuition.
Many of the later books and oracle cards were done with an emerging new age author and only had Doreen’s name on it to boost sales. Hay House has removed her name and the books and cards are sold using the name of who originally created them.
Wow. I always thought that too. She couldn’t have written all those books. So who is this author? If she didn’t write it, it explains!
Who was collecting the stories about people having met angels? It sounded real to me and high vibs. Do you think she made it up? If not who was collecting those real stories? For sure Doreen feels guilty of something. Maybe her last husband saw all this and told her she would go to hell. But maybe he was scared of something for a good reason.
I think all of our reactions to what has been going on with Doreen are normal, as questioning what is transpiring in the world and with our loved ones is all part of the process. We are seeking to understand, and that is good.
Many loved Doreen, and in a sense are grieving for the friend they feel they have lost. It is ok to allow yourself to grieve.
When her channeling from a place of Love was at its clearest, she contributed a great deal to many of our lives. We and our friends, families and communities are better for the progress in love that *we all made* by taking a que from her work. But it was just that – only a prompt. We have all done the hard work on ourselves individually, and we have done very well. I am so proud of all of us. It is in service to all to keep it going.
Because of what she has brought through for me from her Angel works (however that may have happened) I still love Doreen, though I feel she is indeed struggling at the moment. And it makes me sad to see someone who has taught me so much go through such inner turmoil – whether it is religious/spiritual or financially based.
I will continue to call on Jesus for guidance, and to call on the Angels for help.
It is notable that Angels are in the Bible as well as Jesus and other Saints. It doesn’t appear through even the Bible that these beings are ultimately on separate planes of existence. Where there is one, there is the other. It appears as if they are all Divinely guided, and reads that we are all part of one whole beautiful tapestry *working together* to promote love and peace. For some to say here in the comments that Jesus is real and good but Angels are not, seems to be less than a cohesive train of thought.
Angels are depicted in the Bible as loving and helpful, just as they are in New Age communities. And in the beginning, over 2000 years ago, it was the Bible itself that introduced us to Angels. New Age communities are simply reiterating that guidance in modern language.
I am confident Angel guidance and help is a gift we are all meant to and able to access free from fear, and free from judgement.
Blessings to you Sue, for bringing this to us for thought and reflection.
This is so true: We and our friends, families and communities are better for the progress in love that *we all made* by taking a que from her work. But it was just that – only a prompt. We have all done the hard work on ourselves individually, and we have done very well. I am so proud of all of us. It is in service to all to keep it going.
With love and blessings to you, too!
It really hit me hard. In a world where trust in these topics is so thin, something such as a change in that magnitude… I just can’t…
I’m not trusting anyone anymore. I will just trust that the Great Holy Spirit of all will guide us to ultimate truth… eventually
I’m sick of this world of lies, especially in regards to spiritual topics. My strongest prayers, directed to the ultimate phenomenon of Spirit, are mostly for truth to prevail. ITS truth, OUR truth, EVERYTHING’S truth
I’ve been heartbroken before for seeing the huge divergence all over the world… but this is the drop that spilled the glass. I will just try to walk my own path, trying to trust The Divine every step and experience, begging for the right understanding
I just hope these specific cracks in my heart regarding spiritual topics can heal in time…
We all have our own relationship with Spirit. It’s OK. That’s the way it should be.
Instead of being heartbroken by what others are doing, perhaps focus on your own spirituality for a while. Write a book, journal, and allow yourself to shift and evolve as you learn.
I wish you the best!
The Christians are becoming more radical and fanatic those days. But if you travel to Romania or Africa, it has always been. The problem is that Doreen didn’t become a sweet Christian, but a radical who wants to burn not only her own books but as well all the books! Except for the bible! Well I think we got the explanation on this website. It seems that Doreen had a ghost writer that I found it seems, and Doreen had lost control on her own products. Her ghost writer is great and she is existing. At least.
So maybe now, we are meeting the real Doreen. Unsecure. Fragile. Not very well balanced.
Maybe as well she converted to Christianity but nobody really cared so she tried to attract the attention.
You could see the agressivity from those fanatic radical Christians Lorna Byrne is receiving!!!
And Lorna is too Catholic for me! Very Christian. But those people could burn her if they could.
Well in France, Charlemagne is respected. He beheaded 4000 young Saxons (Germans) in one day, who were druids. It means they loved trees and nature. He burnt their sacred tree. And chopped off their head. Because they didn’t apply well enough Christianity or because they refused to convert.
And French people are proud of Charlemagne!
It is sad because Jesus Christ said that the most important was love, the second to not judge and to not kill. Jesus Christ had nothing to do with the old testament which should never have been included. Same for St Paul. Shouldn’t have been included. And all the texts the Church refused to include when they are in fact more reliable on an historical level.
When Doreen broke away from her Angel connections and readings, teachings and left that life behind, I just felt it was her walk for right now, what ever she is happy with, we all g through times of change of perspective. I see her/feel her as just so judgmental now. The sticking to the old testament, anger and condemnation is like she got stuck there, where she is so dark that she is even desperate to prove her point of even calling out the book Jesus calling. As if Jesus left us with the words of you will do these things and more and she promptly put a big NO to that, her own determination for all the sinners out there. One thing that I didn’t see mentioned it that sometime DV might just take a look in the mirror of her soul again and see the judgement that she has sent out and have a breakdown because she is carrying so much hostility and rebellion. The other is what if she learned the truth behind the eating of the body of Christ with the bread and the drinking of the wine as the host representing his blood. Somehow the church supports this act. Where was it introduced? Rome—-> ? I think so. Relates to the ones who are being brought to justice now in our court systems. And the many who have carried this through the ages in many nations. There is also much to the saint designation that the bible gives that is skewed, so much more that she has yet to look at. Where are the missing commandment tablet, where are all the books that were left out? Where does the I bring you a new covenant come in for her? I’m happily walking in accepting the gifts of the spirit in working towards helping others through those gifts and what is there in the bible that the church has held back from teaching within the church and has been manipulated in so doing that. She has yet to find out what is all behind that. They leave it to pretend like it is only meant for the high priest or something to be using the gifts. How about us learning simple discernment? Saving ourselves from accidents and the things like that, all these things that we do for others. They really do just leave us to our own. The next few years will prove very interesting! Should be fun ladies! Hold onto your seats, the ride is bumpy but so worth it! Namaste with love from our hearts as one.
Sue, thank you. Love this blog! And Marie, YES – so much of the Bible was constructed with and without certain text for a reason. Sadly, nothing about Doreen Virtue surprises me. I always felt her to be a bit off but this turnaround seems to be part of a pattern I’ve seen all too often. I personally, have yet to meet someone who didn’t become “born again” as an easy way to escape their own humanity so they could cancel their transgressions without doing the real work. Those who cannot do, often judge. To think that the Bible is the be all and end all of all the sacred texts around the world, especially in it’s current form, is just silly. All books have elements of truth but it doesn’t make them all non-fiction. I also find it interesting that people that claim to be familiar with history choose to ignore that fact that organized religion came into existence with bits and pieces omitted as seen fit in order to control the masses. Has Doreen done her own research on either side? Much of the Bible’s text is missing. The actual history of Jesus also suggests he was more “new age” than anyone with a controlling or fear instilling agenda would ever admit. The info is not hard to find. The bible has some great teachings and clearly illustrates the nature of duality present in all of us – a lesson within itself. How can anyone on either side purport to know it’s true intent in it’s current incomplete form? At the end of the day anything that seeks to divide and condemn people seems to be completely contrary to what Jesus was all about. Why can’t we just take what works and leave the rest without the fire and brimstone? We are all from the same place, that includes Doreen. While I find Doreen Virtue’s present stance disturbing, I can only hope people will instead hear their own divine connection and move forward in a way that is meaningful to them with love and compassion for all.
Thank you for commenting! I agree with so much of what you said.Especially that Jesus was totally new age and that the powerful people picked and chose passages in order to best exert control over the masses. As more information comes up/to light, it really gives us a different perspective about the Bible and what it teaches.
Kind regards and blessings,
I totally agree. Definitely being controlled. This is not Doreen Virtue! Her whole personality has somewhat disappeared. I feel that she is being controlled by something dark. Feel this is her husband. I met her when I went on her workshops etc. One time she was with Louise Hay and they both absolutely glowed together, surrounded by so much light. When I look at her picture now, this is not the same woman. Her true self seems to have withdrawn into another dimension. We need her back on the earth plane at this time! Sending so much love, light and encouragement for her to overcome this and get back to her true self xxx
I think you’re right, she has abdicated her physical body and the being that is currently living as DV is malevolent.
I’m still sad about the loss of Doreen Virtue. *Ironically* her books and cards helped me RECOVER from fundamentalist Christianity. I consider myself “Christian-ish” now, so she and I have both done a 180. But I was never that judgemental, just stuck and afraid. And I agree with the comments above that said Jesus was new age! So true. Everything “new age” is practiced in the Bible, and why should it stop? (So men can control our minds through fear). But I no longer see that I am the unholy one and the Bible is holy… I am the sacred one, we are all beloved children of God. All of us. The Bible (and other scripture) is a GIFT to us, the children, for help in THIS life. I no longer see it as a book of rules where if we don’t get it right, we are punished. My mind is freed. So I am sad that she went the direction she did. I think she never healed her insecurity with men, and each one ruled her in their own way. Ironically husbands are her “idol.”
Oh wow! She did help you out, then—recovering from fundamentalist Christianity with her work. Of course, her change could never take that away from you. That’s why, ultimately, her decisions about her own beliefs aren’t really important. Those of us she helped or taught will keep our progress and the wisdom we came across.
Kind regards and blessings,
Thank you this really speaks from a high place of understanding
We made her who she was by tuning in as we did to her ideas and images and creating a “thing” out of them. SO perhaps we also have made her as she appears to us currently with our personal perceptions and need to change
Great article. For the record, I am a long time resident of the Big Island of Hawai’i, and met Doreen many years ago when we first arrived and I was quickly in the middle of a large spiritual group here on West Side, because of my position as a music performer. This group was in tight with Doreen and they all had some kind of relationship with her.
Although we shared a passion and connection with The Archangels (my music groups did channeled Angel music and guided musical meditations), I never really got into Doreen’s Angel Card thing or any of her books. They just didn’t resonate with me and always felt a little, you know (and this might get me into trouble) phony. Kinda corny. Spiritually shallow, over produced and definitely over-promoted. Then I found out why – apparently she used to be a big time promotions and marketer in NYC. She put her expertise to work with spectacular, and profitable, results for her. She had a large beautiful home here on the West Side for awhile (no small feat unless you have tons of money) and then on Maui for awhile before moving briefly back to the Hamakua Coast of The Big Isle.
I don’t think this whole weird conversion thing just came out of the blue. In fairness it has to be said that she experienced a couple of major life jolts before her departure from the islands and arrival on west mainland coast. One was the tragic loss of her partner, Scott. I believe he was ill. Then, apparently her financial situation began to deteriorate badly; either badly dropping sales or she had property debts she couldnt manage anymore.
She started acting out hastily and with uncharacteristic disorganized spontaneity. She tried to launch herself as a bass player with a band. I heard them play once and let’s just say it was a blessing that the band was only together for a short time. It seemed she was getting dispossessed of the whole “angel blessed Island existence of abundance” thing. Hard times were here.
Stuck with a 47 acre animal sanctuary her and her fifth husband couldn’t afford, she suddenly found Jesus in February of 2017 and fled to the mainland after a fire sale of the property, in 2018. This entire conversion drama strikes me more as a desperate cry for help as someone’s coming off of a really really good trip, than it was about a sincere shift of one’s spirit. It feels like Doreen is now resentful of the “powers” she once made a pretty penny off of because they could not sustain her fortune and pleasure. Resentment, bitter resentment wrapped in the swaddling sheets of a new religion.
I personally don’t care what religion, if any, that she follows. However, the most disturbing part of this is that it looks like she put together a carefully crafted scam brought exactly to the right audiences here in Hawai’i and elsewhere, and that people were so gullible for her shallow trinkets that they were dreadfully hurt when The Great Oz pulled back the curtain on himself.
There’s a cautionary tale in there somewhere.
Interesting comment, Irminsul!
I thought she was with Michael for some time now – at least since 2012. And really, I don’t think her audience is “gullible for shallow trinkets”; perhaps I am biased though. Ultimately, yes—her quick shift and total denouncement does hold a cautionary tale, but I think we are thinking of different stories.
Thank you for your response!
So, I stumbled upon yesterday SO many videos of people who went from New Age to Christianity. And, while I knew most thought it was “evil” of some kind lol. I never really looked for videos on it. Why would I? But, the other day one popped up on my feed of a former psychic who “returned” to her faith. And, I also found vids on the “new” Doreen Virtue which brought me to ur page. I’ve always believed a mix of Catholicism and New Age( believe in spirit guides, past lives, law of attraction, higher selfs) I don’t believe personally in tarot cards, but I do believe in psychics( because i’ve had positive experiences with them. One of the best psychics I know who is extremely gifted using tarot cards during a part of her reading- but in reality she doesn’t even need them. But, hey that’s just me and i don’t judge. I just don’t think it’s right for all these people to condemn everything as evil as I would not do the same to their beliefs!
The whole thing to me is baffling and how all these “reformed/born again/saved” Christians speak so badly on so many things. Some felt they were talking to demons( i don’t believe in them), one women said how the law of attraction worked for her but they realized it was evil, some talked about the dangers of meditation! Meditation! hahaha. And, even one psychic who i thought – OH she’s interesting she still believes in New Age things and she was in a positive view of believing New Age things and comparing it to the bible passages – so i thought HEY i’m going to like you- until she starting calling “herself” a prophet ( to me just use psychic). And, then she was like using a pendulum brings evil! And, don’t pray to saints or angels either because you might be talking to bad beings who disguise themselves! Oh brother. ( So, what are all Catholics evil and going to a bad place for praying to angels and saints)- that is actually something I never heard before- but being in my 20’s i don’t know. But, I guess plain Christians believe that. Who knows. Also, there are people who are like “how do you know what kind of spirit you are really talking to??” Like maybe their are bad spirits- and if there was one I would guess they would make you feel bad/say bad things/ want u to do bad stuff”
As for Doreen Virtue I only ever liked her when I was reading about Angel numbers, but as a whole I never liked her and didn’t feel she was super genuine person. Plus, something about her voice annoyed me! haha. ( maybe thats petty. but you like who you like) I prefer people like John Edwards or James Van Pragh what they talk about and their books. The first books I read when I was young were from Sylvia Browne and even though people called her a scam I liked her books and it opened my mind up to past lives etc. I thought it was cool.
At the end of the day while I believe in New Age beliefs- i still believe in God/Virgin Mary/Jesus/Saints. And whatever I do in mediation or trying to speak to my guides( which i haven’t yet) I always pray to God first and ask he surrounded me with a while light of protection and only being from God’s good white light come to me. I pray to angels and saints too sometimes. Why not! lol
-While I believe everyone is entitled to their faith i don’t like how people knock down New Age beliefs so brutally- to me that is crazy. Some are like soooo full of anger you know? I came to New Age as a teen it made me happy, and I continue to believe elements in it. A relative in my family is a super gifted and blessed person. And, some people turn to it because they really need it and it made a difference in their will to keep on living. I feel bad for people who are “Christians” with New Age beliefs and watch these videos and then feel “Ashamed” and then feel they can’t believe in 2 things. I don’t know . Sometimes I think all these “super woke christians” would rather a person be atheist than believe in New Age beliefs.
Anywhoo this was just a ramble from me. Sometimes I want to comment on those videos of people who went from New Age to Christianity again. But, I know i just get a bunch of some sort of variation of “I pray for you to be saved” or “What you are following is evil”- instead of something polite. And, then I would not tell them something very polite – Plus, even if you say something in a polite way it’s like talking to the deaf. And, arguing with people online is super pointless. I don’t know. at the end of the day I see the beauty in all major religions and no religion is “better” than the other.
I just hope everyone who finds New Age-ism in their life doesn’t turn away from it just because others are getting all angry at it.
Hey Lisa under our feet a ball of fire. Infinity above our head. So or after life doesn’t exist and so we have mostly the DNA of a chimpanzee and we became a monster because too clever for a monkey. Or after life does exist and maybe God exists as well and it is a very complicated topic. Because many religions, linked geography and history.
I do not think anyone can tell what exactly god wants from us. Jesus Christ said that the most important was love and to not judge. And to not kill. He was healing with his hands and always seemed pretty new age to me. Because trying to start a new age. Something new. Christianity has been such a failure. Killing. Killing and killing during centuries.
The fact that Doreen is acting the way she is, judgmental, living in the fear of God, in 2020 is awfully conservative. But it is true that the new age has a dark side. Look at this #adenochrome craziness! It is not made with baby tears but just comes from a normal lab. The new age is starting to become Middle age. And so I can understand she felt the need of something more secure. However when she is starting to see the devil in unicorns, it is not better than to believe that Queen Elizabeth is transforming herself in crocodile at night!
Secularism is really important.
Hello Sue, Blessings to you for your article. I’d been a long time follower of Doreen’s.
Like many I too was disappointed when she changed course. I do though hold her in my heart because she was there a times when I really needed her. As you know sometimes people come into our lives and then leave. The loss never negates the benefit they gave while they were with us. Ultimately no matter what we believe it is an inner voyage.I wish Doreen a peaceful and happy life.
Hello Sue, Blessings to you for your article. I’d been a long time follower of Doreen’s.
Like many I too was disappointed when she changed course. I do though hold her in my heart because she was there a times when I really needed her. As you know sometimes people come into our lives and then leave. The loss never negates the benefit they gave while they were with us. Ultimately no matter what we believe it is an inner voyage.I wish Doreen a peaceful and happy life.
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (Revelation 4:11 KJV)
The Holy Spirit of God inspired Doreen about this, which is why she “gets it” and you don’t. See 1 Corinthians 12:3; Doreen has even come to the conclusion that is actually the second part of that verse that applies to her. New Age and the like ostensibly promote our pleasure, not the Creator’s (God’s).
Hi everyone. I am deeply saddened by what happened to Doreen Virtue. I have spent hours researching this issue since I’ve learnt about her “conversion” yesterday. And I am currently reading her book, The Joy of Jesus. The problem is not converting to Christianity. It is not about changing your beliefs or mind.
The problem is what led her to do so, in such a radical way that she now demonizes *simply everything* (including other religions like Islam I believe) which is not fundamentalist Christianity.
This happens after you go through major trauma in life, it could be an event, or a serious of events, when your beliefs fail you and fall insufficient. Worse still, I believe a demonic psychic attack is the case. And yes it happens… It happened to me as well.
Doubting the validity of your beliefs is only natural in such a case. And the tendency to demonize everything -in return- because “that wasn’t supposed to happen to you if something about you was not right”…
It is basic trauma response. I am sure she is displaying traits of PTSD.
I still love her, will always do.
Doreen Virtue, for her own good, should talk to a qualified psychiatrist. It is a need, it is normal. I understand how she finds relief in her newly found belief, and that is ok. Receiving professional, scientific help is also necessary.
Otherwise, I am afraid that another negative experience in the future can cause her to drop fundamentalist Christianity, and for a good reason.
Anything radical is not good for the human psyche. Our essence is *freedom*. And giving up on our essence will in the long run cause another epiphany, which may not come in pleasant ways. We can’t run away from ourselves.
She feels now she is in a safe haven, and that’s right. But the spiritual journey is tough. And it doesn’t let us to not face a single thing about ourselves.
Doreen, if you read this, I beg you to receive the help of a qualified psychiatrist about the trauma you’ve been through. And I would like you to honestly explain to us “what exactly happened”, that negative experience(s) which scared you so so much. Burying it is not healing…
Blessings to you all.
I love what you said here: Anything radical is not good for the human psyche. Our essence is *freedom*. So true.
And what an excellent shift in perspective you’ve brought up—a trauma response to an event or series of events. This is something I’ve been noting not just about Doreen, but also some who allow their lives to be taken over, who seem to give up their personal choice and freedom by allowing themselves to be driven by external sources, not advised or guided, but driven.
Thank you for your comment!
Yes I so agree with you on every level here. My feeling here is the trauma that catalyzed this is her financial and taxation problems. She literally lost everything, ended up broke and had to leave her farm and all her rescue animals. So here it feels to me like she felt let down by her belief system, that it didn’t exempt her from life lessons. It’s like she felt that because she was quite a high flyer in the spirutual arena, that she didnt have to “adult” like the rest of us. So she went in the extreme opposite direction by turning to a belief system that demonises anything that doesn’t belong to her current faith. I feel she did this as a way of sticking it to spirituality because she felt it didn’t make her untouchable. That’s just my take on it. I wish her well and hope she finds the peace and contentment that she is longing for.
Blessed be x
Thank you so much for your article. I am apparently behind on the times and just discovered the news today. My world is rocked to say the least. Your article is helping me make sense of it and is so appreciated. Many, MANY thanks.
DV is obviously going through some kind of mental imbalance.
Nobody changes so suddenly and to the total opposite of what one used to be if in a completely normal mental state.
Whatever happened to her, she really needs our prayers and love. She gave so much when she was well.
Having been involved in “new age” practices myself, then being born-again, I can totally agree with what she is saying. It’s not a matter of the powerful effects of meditation, shamanism, chakras, auras, guided imagery, etc. The are very real. The question is, “WHICH spiritual beings are involved?” Once you turn to the living God through his Son, Jesus, you find out that all of it–except Him–is in fact, the activity of Satan and the spirits he directs. It’s all deception, to keep humans distracted from turning to God in repentance, by giving them a little supernatural salve for their aches, pains, sorrows, and anxieties–along with some supernatural showmanship. I know. I was there. Doreen is entirely correct. And you are correct, in a sense: when we look at the destructive spirit who was leading us to the lake of fire by keeping us away from forgiveness of sins through believing in Jesus–yes, it is scary. Yes, you want to have nothing to do with it. Yes, one wants to rescue others from the deception one was under. I just want to make it plain that the two options posed by the author are NOT the only two options: (1) Doreen is cuckoo (2) those involved in “new age” practices are imagining the powerful things they’ve experienced. The third (and true) option–to restate it–is that the “new age” practices are very real and very powerful, but are deliberate deceptions by evil spirits who appeal to mankind’s rebellion against God by providing supernatural manifestations that are calculated to sponsor a philosophy that denies the words of the Most High that are found in what we call the Bible. Doreen is right!
I don’t agree that Christianity/Jesus is the only way. There are many different practices and beliefs, and narrowing them down to a Judeo-Christian, primarily western thinking paradigm is somewhat… wrong to me. We all have a right to connect with God in our own way and staying in a positive, *non-judgmental* space is a huge part of the Jesus energy to me. Jesus energy being something that has different names in different cultures but has the same effect.
It’s interesting to see how people consider connecting with Source energy as “evil”.
I’m going to heartily disagree, but say thank you for your comment!
This is exactly what I needed to read I just started my journey on my spiritual path and recently came across Doreen Virtues old work which I did connect with but had no idea that she had “converted”. When I found this out it really shook me. However, your remark of her living in a place of fear really was what I needed to hear. Not only am I elevating my spiritual path but also my state of my mind for success and drive. I listen to the best motivational speakers in the world and they always say the best way to live your life is not to live in fear or let fear rule your life. Well that is exactly what she is doing, she is letting fear rule her life and that is no way to live. It is strange how my motivational speakers ending up being the catalyst for cementing my spiritual life.
I love how you pulled the catalyst out of this! Seeing teachers on their journeys often shows us a lot of what is possible, both good and bad—what we want to emulate and what we want to avoid.
Thank you for your comment!
Dont be naive, its all about the money, then and now. Aint you realised yet?
For her, perhaps—but that doesn’t mean it didn’t burn for a lot of people.
I do understand your comment, though. There’s a line between being paid for your work and sharing your knowledge and taking advantage of others for a quick buck.
Just for today… create an honest living.
Some of us live by those words while others don’t. We all have to follow our own Higher Guidance.
Thank you for your response!
Like Amber, I’ve been behind the times as the news about Doreen V only reached me this week. I’m shocked. My first thought is that she’s ‘not well’.
She was very much a part of my spiritual journey and her books and cards taught me a great deal. That won’t ever change but I’m very reluctant now, to use her oracle cards. Time for something/someone new I reckon. I hope that Doreen finds her way to what she needs. I’m doubtful that her current path is helping her, but then, it’s none of my business I suppose. Thanks for your blog
Honestly, Angela, the cards are now YOURS to work with as you will. I see a comment from one of the artists who Doreen used to represent her work. That artist didn’t have false intentions when she created her work.
I still use many of the decks I have from the DV series. They still talk to me in a way that other decks don’t. They aren’t hers, they are mine.
Ultimately, it is your choice! I don’t personally see a reason to discard all that I learned and the decks I’ve made relationships with because Doreen changed her path. Her path is hers, my path is my own. The cards and teachings are part of both, but the paths, again, aren’t the same.
I hope that makes sense! I need more coffee. 😉
Take care and kind regards,
Thanks Sue, for your reply. I know it was ages ago! I’ve given your reply some thought. This new message has been prompted by others’ comments coming through by email. Where I am now on the DV issue is that I no longer want to use her cards, of which I have several decks. I’ll never forget what I learned; that stays with me but the fact that DV is denouncing her own work has taken the shine off her books and cards for me. Interestingly, I’ve noticed also that when I come across her cards being posted online by others as ‘Card of the Day’ or similar, I just can’t take them seriously anymore. What a learning curve this is!
I know what you mean. I’ve actually been considering whether I should discontinue using her cards or still work with them…
Thank you for letting me know your opinion!
Thank you for your thoughtful blog. I think a lot of people will be helped by this, especially at the moment when they suddenly read some of what Doreen Virtue is saying these days and are baffled and confused. Personally, I think people need to come to realize that Evil (by whatever name) is as Evil does. To state that a particular philosophy, religion or belief system is Evil should be based in the wisdom of observation over a long period of time. Do people who follow that belief system closely and with enthusiasm behave, in general (not always of course) in ways that are kind, loving, truly charitable towards others, respectful, and otherwise good to themselves and to others or do the most loyal followers of said belief system historically behave in ways that are . . . the opposite, i.e. evil (especially while stating that these actions support their religious belief system)? Does this belief system or religion cause people to murder those who have done nothing other than not agree with them or not belong to their religion? Does it cause adherents to be disrespectful to people or animals? Does it cause people to be self-righteous, demeaning to those who are different from them, hateful, xenophobic, antisemitic, racist, or otherwise putting themselves above others mainly because of their identity with their religion or belief system or as justified by or encouraged by their interpretation of their scripture or belief system? Does this belief system seem to lead those who are the most faithful and the most “all in” to molest children or to rape? Does this system lead to treating women or others with disrespect or to treat any group of human beings as less valuable or inherently less worthwhile? Does this belief system honor or encourage harming self or others physically or emotionally? Has it been used to justify torture or slavery? If too many of the answers are that the strongest and most loyal adherents use their religion as a justification for or motivation to behave in evil ways and/or to encourage others to be evil, no matter how often or how strongly the followers claim that they are fighting, “the devil,” the truth is that if darkness is adhering in this world, it is adhering to and being promoted by them. “The devil” mascarading as good is within their system, within them. The claim that angels of light or those with high vibration, the kind, the charitable, the healing and the tolerant are “the devil” is merely a reflection or deflection from their own attachment to darkness.
believe it or not I just found out about her conversion…talk about out of the loop! I’m also a born again Christian and after falling off my perch hearing about her conversion I decided to buy her book ( already used) to see if I could garner any more information.
I don’t want to judge the lady especially not being an avid follower but knowing of her work ( and also previously being involved in a similar community) but I could not make any sense nor truth from this book. There was just something that irked me right the way through…something ‘off’. It doesn’t give any clear insight into the whole lead up to the sighting of Jesus ( which by the way is very rare and usually has to be further proved by the church but I guess if anyone is going to have a vision its Doreen).
I think as a Christian what’s most disturbing for me is her constant blame of Satan. Yes Satan deceives but bottom line WE WANT WHAT WE WANT…Its a choice. She chose what she chose because at the time it was lucrative and in the end I guess something happened that made her fearful…but there is no way someone gets to 58 still saying ‘No-one sat me down and told me I was being deceived…that this was not the Bible). A 2 year old knows whats in the bible!! So for me there is no real remorse but the word heresy and wretched sinner repeated a million times to over score the fact that the same thing is repeated again and again in her book.
She also cried about how she lost everything….ahem….As a Christian this is not humility nor sensitivity. People are on the breadline and you still have a house, money etc etc….its not the work of God for someone to talk like this.
I’ve had to ask myself why this bothers me?? Am I envious, coveting? All valid questions and answers but No the reason is as a true Christian it’s her messages risk DECEIVING ONCE MORE…this time an undiscerning Evangelical crowd….
I hope I’m wrong but the fact that she tries to speak humility but has shown little tells me I’m not and timelines and half finished stories don’t add up.
By the way Jesus would never walk away from anything….including negative remarks…He would have stayed to answer them and I agree with this thing…She should not have walked away by leaving Hayhouse to deal with it ( or other).We finish what we start being accountable….
Anyway I wish her luck in her venture but fear there’s still dishonesty at play….anyone who can get deceived by Satan for 3 decades sure is easy prey ( I don believe this) so would say its possible she’s still being ‘deceived’ today….I hope not for her followers sakes….
Hi, I know I’m a lot late to this conversation. I was exploring her (DV) work & reading about it in the past but was never drawn to it or her cards. I’m a Hindu (though I hate this label because it is not who we are but it’s what we were labeled by outsiders) who belongs to a community where we have been practitioners of identifying omens, fortune telling & priests for generation. Many people in our community have now diversified into modern lifestyle, careers & are no more practicing these ancient arts but there are still a handful who do & we respect them. Firstly, the “new-age” is actually not new-age at all. Many practices have been there for ages, even before organized religion came up. Today we are uncovering these lost philosophies / art / rituals / worships. We as humans (created by god in his own form) are not black or white (I’m not being racist here, what I mean to say is ‘good or evil’) then how can we say that there is Good & Evil with no grey areas! God created both these good & evil then has he sinned by creating evil! When women are held responsible for birthing new life in this god created world then why do we assume that god is male or refer to him in such a patriarchal way (this is a whole new conversation in itself). Why should we compelled to believe in any one god that anyone says or renounce our belief system with any other god in order to believe in a different god. The entire organized religion & their philosophy is befuddling coz it’s more manmade than all the new-age practices put together. It may work for certain people, to each their own but it doesn’t make any sense to me. I feel we are all drawn to a divine entity & have a divine purpose that we are fulfilling through the guidance of that entity. At the end of the day if we follow our path, do our duty, keep the earth & those living in it well then we are doing our Dharma. The fact that she (DV) believed in something & was successful in imparting it worldwide was commendable. I feel there was always a part of her that didn’t believe in her past work, there was always some self-doubt (‘Coz there needs to be a spark to start a fire & if her belief system was non-combustible then no amount of external catalysts will make any difference to her). The self-doubt could have stemmed from the belief system she was initially raised in or the society that she was exposed to all her life & the influence it has had both at her conscious & subconscious level. It’s sad for people who followed her to be let down. If she is having a spiritual transition & she is finding her true path then it’s good for her but what about the people she led in the past? Now she is preaching something entirely different! It’s as different as night & day. Why will anyone listen to her! Her voice has lost all credibility. How would she like it if her current preacher suddenly decides to renounce his / her religion & decides to become a Buddhist or Islamic or Hindu after taking her though this journey of getting her out of her old system & launching her into a new one. Sorry if I come across as being blunt & if I have offended anyone. These are just my views & please ignore it if it’s not to your liking or understanding. Namaste
Excellent post! I really loved what you had to say. We ARE learning a lot about other religions and also about Archetypal energies that are HUMAN and not tied to a particular faith.
Thank you for joining the conversation!
I could not agree more Lav. New Age is not new at all. I am enrolled in a doctoral program with a focus on Spiritual Direction and the program comes from a multi-faith perspective. I am learning so much, including Hindu traditions. You come from a very rich tapestry of beliefs and traditions.
Does Dorin Venture still receive royalties from the sales of cards, books etc.?
Because if she truly believes what she has written as to why she gave everything up, then she should not receive royalties from evil money.
I don’t think any of us is sure about that. But, she’s definitely making more books and decks!
I am fairly certain that she has requested that the books and materials go out of print, and has stopped taking royalties from them. I will give her that, the benefit of the doubt, and assume she has that integrity.
Interesting question as to whether Doreen still receives royalties. I’ve commented on this thread before and I’ll comnent again – it’s a great thread. Thank you, Sue! Others have also wondered about royalties – this is from a video interview with Doreen:
“Virtue also states in the video that she has directed her publisher since 1993, Hay House, to donate all royalties from her tarot decks to their foundation and to remove her name from them in a year. Her courses now sport the caveat that ‘This is not a New Age course, and it does not include the topics of divination or angelic communication.’
Accepting that she will only write scriptural works, Hay House readily agreed to take her book of deities from multiple faiths, Archangels and Ascended Masters: A Guide to Working and Healing with Divinities and Deities, and its companion cards out of print ‘in case people used them to worship idols and deities other than God,” Virtue says.’ “
I know this only speaks to some of her works, but I think I’ve read where she still believes in angels, so maybe those books are ok? Doreen also has a huge animal rescue farm so she says a lot of money goes to that.
I love her courage. Christianity is not a popular stance and can seem to be a lonely walk in our world of the flesh today. If she truly is a practicing born-again Christian, her new work in this field will be powerful but we cannot judge her for it. While it seems she is judging those who embrace “new age” practices, a true Christian will say exactly what she says, out of the Holy Spirit’s conviction. Someone in this thread suggested it’s all about the money but I’m willing to bet she needed no new tactic as she was making bank on the new age material. Her conversion seems real and she is taking a stand and confessing she was wrong in her previous teaching. I admire her for this.
Thank you for your response, Jeannie! I do know that they had to get rid of the animal rescue farm a while ago.
I don’t see Christianity as a lonely, unpopular thing these days, though. The US is super Christian, as is Europe (Austria, at least). Do you feel alone in your practice?
Who ‘gets rid of’ an animal rescue farm? I have an animal rescue and wildlife conservation property and would give my life before ‘getting rid of it’. Animals are the most perfect souls. I protect them always. I am a Wise One/Elemental/Angel for those whose have read Doreen’s book ‘Earth Angels’ – she made sense once … I hope she comes back to us …
I think she may have had some financial difficulties, bit off more than she could chew, etc. I don’t know. There was a small scandal around that as well.
Not sure she’ll come back to the community. Not sure anyone would trust her if she did.
We can move forward, though.
Thank you for your comment!
So new age wasn’t bringing in enough money for her so she swapped into Christianity. When that gets played out she’ll find her way to Buddha.
LOL! That remains to be seen, for sure! A lot of people have mentioned that it’s likely a money move.
Thank you for your comment!
In truth, I’m worried about Doreen. While I will say I didn’t read all her books, I read quite a few and in her books she talks about her life and the current man in her life while giving details about fairies and crystals. She defined herself by the men in her life. First, she needs a good man and meets Michael. She decided Michael wasn’t new age enough for her and traded him in for Steven, who is a Shaman and teacher. I thought he would be a good fit. Strangely, her books are silent on him. Suddenly, Steven is history and she’s hooked up with a hell and brimstone guy. It seems to me she believes people in a relationship have to be the same. No doubt, her judgmental spouse is encouraging her testimonies, which brings him spotlight and prestige. I’d like Doreen to be free to be who she really is, which I think isn’t happening.
A lot of people had the same thought: her husband has a lot to do with her outlook on life and how she lives. I guess we will see how it all unfolds in the future.
Thank you for commenting!
Im a Vedic Astrologer and I became very curious about her transition. It was unusual to say the least. Looking at her natal chart and the day she was baptized in February 2017. She had Pluto conjunct her Ascendant within a 3 degree orb. Just the month prior, Saturn entered her 1st house. This was the beginning of major transformation to her looks and personality. To be quite honest, she doesn’t look as appealing as she used to prior to the work she did to her face. She looks old and Saturn is the karaka for old. With Pluto and Saturn transit in her 1st house and her dispositer Jupiter Rx in her 10th in Virgo, She was definitely going to appear as not so evolved and a more critical thinker. PLUS, Rahu the north node was in the 9th house which indicates change to religion and spirituality. Rahu also conjuncted her natal Pluto and natal Moon….This suggested going darker….(hence her hair color, face, overall appearance lol) What will be interesting is when Pluto leaves her 1st house and enters her 2nd house on December 30, 2020. Don’t be surprised to see some changes in her spirituality / religious belief systems again in 2021. She may start to realize she ventured off too far in the opposite extreme. I grew up Roman Catholic. Ive had my experiences with Jesus and never did I go the direction she did. In fact Jesus showed me the truth about about the Bible, life, and helped me to embrace my mediumship abilities, psychic abilities, healing abilities, numerology and vedic astrology. I suppose what she is going through is for the purpose of a learning experience. Hope she is more balanced in 2021 as I anticipate she should be working towards.
Interesting interpretation! Thank you for sharing!
I’ve commented on this thread previously about being shocked on learning about DV’s change of direction.
The strangest things have happened since. I got rid of all her cards and books as, for me, they had lost integrity. Then, one by one, other people whose work I’ve admired for years, lost their integrity for me, also. Instagram, I think, is the culprit. There’s a lot to be said for the written word! Instagram ‘lives’ and ‘stories’ have revealed, I think, very narcissistic aspects to the characters and personalities of some people who I’ve admired. The result, for me personally, is that I now feel inauthentic. I’m having what’s commonly described as an existential crisis and it’s very uncomfortable! I know that I’m headed in a different direction and actually, it was DV that triggered it. I have no doubt, however, that I won’t be headed in the same direction as Doreen.
Best wishes to all
Well said and explained. I too thought it was weird for a “born again” Christian to be talking down to other people’s beliefs. I thought that was ummm hypocritical of her. How can one be “born again” and yet speak with such low vibrations towards other belief system ?!?! It doesn’t make sense. It’s ok if she feels some type of way towards new age stuff, but to shame others is not cool. Says a lot about her character. I will continue to walk my truth with spirit. And I don’t need a “religion” to justify that.
Thank you, Sophia.
All any of us can do is walk our walk with spirit. We each have our own.
Namaste to you.
It doesn’t matter what Doreen Virtue says, does, etc. What matters is that you know what works for you. Go back to your studies, principles, gut feeling about what you are drawn to spiritually. Your ‘feeling’ about Ms. Virtue is irrelevant, you are focusing and judging her, when in fact you should just be focusing on you. What she does now doesn’t matter! People change, nothing is set in stone…you know that already, don’t get swayed. Move on to the next learning/lesson. Don’t fret on what is or isn’t, you are primarily upset because of change, but change is a natural part of evolution. The issue is not Ms. Virtue, the issue is that you haven’t yet let go of defining yourself based on someone else’s doings…let go and move on…stop judging, let go. There is no problem here, you are creating it.
Thanks for your opinion, Savannagh.
Very well said, Savannagh. We are all too caught up in running to outside, external influences to define us. There’s an entire cottage industry on Instagram, Facebook, etc., call “influencers”, for goodness sake! Since when do we need that!! We ALL need to stop letting other people influence us so damn much.
Thank you for your opinion.
Interestingly enough, the article speaks directly to your point – my path is my own, as is Doreen’s.
Have a fab day!
I used to be a born again Christian, but what I realised is, is the religion is slightly confused. In the beginning, before I surrendered to Jesus, it was like my soul was yearning to break out. It was a beautiful experience and my vibration and positivity soared. I felt new. The experience opened me up spiritually, which is what I think all belief systems are meant to do, I.e. switch the spiritual light on. It was based on love and I had no fear of the world around me. I felt protected. What became confusing was when I was introduced to the bible and a church. It went from spiritual awakening to a tradition based on guilt and fear. It’s confusing. I don’t know Doreen’s work that well, but what I do know is one absolute truth without a shadow of a doubt. Something created me/us and that cannot be denied. How we choose to honour that is our decision and no other person or faith should dictate otherwise.
This: “How we choose to honour that is our decision and no other person or faith should dictate otherwise.” 100%
Thank you for your comment!
Doreen stated that a Course in Miracles is opposite of the Bible. I am seeing things in a new light now.
Hm. Interesting. Thank you for commenting!
Seems like she experienced something that scared her and can’t shake it. Muting the messages and taking the easy path. She is letting a human being tell her, her angels are evil. Following the bible that was written by men who apparently spoke with god, engaging in the same exact type of spirituality she did, only on their terms? It’s all so confusing. She obviously wants to help, and something she heard haunted her, made her believe she was calling on demons. The demons are the man made ones, that tell you that there is evil. Evil and demons are only welcome to enter your mind in weakness, she let the word of a man twist her magic into something evil. Don’t be scared, and don’t let man take it from you, and convince you to turn your back on your own truth. Study history, these christian ideas were created to take away your magic and your power. Evil is to blindly follow the words, man written, in a book, instead of looking inward and finding your own truth. Your soul is protected, your thoughts and third eye are real, just don’t let anyone scare you, shame you or try to take away your magic because they are afraid of your power, or deem it evil because they themselves can’t experience it. If you feel the purity in your own being, and your thoughts and actions are pure, push away the evil and doubt and welcome your experience of this life. False idols are books too. Why is it okay to follow the words of a man written book, that doesn’t welcome growth and new ideas. It completely stops spiritual innovation. It’s just sad that she is now turning all of your angels and fairies into demons, when they were literally there to help you be a better human being to the people in your life and world around you. Her ego from the fame it consumed her. She feels the evil presence, its greed not the angels. Perhaps she stopped listening and started speaking through a fools gold mouth piece, and felt the coldness of her betrayal, needing the church to fill her with false forgiveness.
I’m sad that Doreen Virtue is giving Christians a bad name with her judgments and fear-based warnings. I just hope her new followers keep one hand on their wallets because she will surely monetize her salvation once she’s done building a following with her dramatic conversion story. Look at her baptism photo. I cringe to criticize such a moment but it looks so posed and contrived. If God is truly using her in some way, it’s to remind people that they needn’t put all their faith and money into gurus. A relationship with God and the angels is right there waiting for you in your heart.. no middle man needed.
I love what you said: A relationship with God and the angels is right there waiting for you in your heart.. no middle man needed.
I think this is the point the churches want us to fear so that they remain relevant.
Thank you for your comment!
Not only did her mind change, but so did her look. She went literally from light to dark.
What an interesting observation, Lissabeta! You’re right about that.
But, as someone who colors their naturally honey-colored hair and wears almost entirely black, I hesitate to say that those changes necessarily indicate a viewpoint or leaning. 🙂 I’m sure you understand!
But still, very interesting note, especially since she was ALWAYS a blonde prior to recently.
There is one thing I am failing to see being questioned in all this – if DV studied ACIM for 20 years, and believed it, found truth and faith in it, and then switched over to the bible and rejected ACIM – what is it exactly that made her totally believe in the bible and how can she be so sure it is truth – perhaps in 20 years she will realise the same as she did with ACIM? She says she met Jesus/God which could have been her ‘certainty’ – but she also said she met Angels and apparitions in her New Age work – which were her truth and confirmation then. The point is – there can be no ultimate confirmation can there? If one is convinced one moment by an apparition, and then the next convinced of something different – which one then is truth and how and who decides? If you listen to her video condemning ACIM, all she says is it’s heresy – heresy against a scripture that no one person is absolutely certain of its truth or real interpretation. So her communication of her arguments are entirely founded on her belief and conviction that the bible is THE truth – as written, but also as taught by corrupted church leaders. I want something more, I want DV to explain in detail, exactly why she feels the bible is truth and how she discovered it was – not simply just say that it is, and claim anything against it is heresy. I was very anti-God my whole life, in my 30’s I followed New Age, then a couple of years ago I met God – I had a blissful, ecstatic reunion with the Creator – God was the word I used as I reached out my arms to the Light. How do I know it was God? When you have a union you cannot possibly not know – truth is truth – BUT, truth is VERY simple. And in my union with God, I then took new age, AND the bible/churches teachings from an equanimous point of view – I saw I should not grasp, clutch and cling and depend on ANY teaching, ANY book, for they are all simply expressions and possibilities being allowed to play out in life. We are all on our journey home to reunion with God, how we go about it, what we do and use is our own journey, but we will all arrive at the same place no matter which path we choose. Vipassana meditation teaches this well – you observe sensations in the body without resisting them and without desiring them – you could say that all these books, and practises are those sensations – they will occur, they will draw your attention this way and that way but it’s our job to observe them and know that we do not need any of them. All we need to do is look towards God, keep looking and you will find. God is Love, Love is God – everything resides in God and no matter the toys and ideas we all play about with here on earth, in the end we are just seeking to embody Love and have union with God. I hope that’s helpful – of course this is just my sharing of my own experience, but from watching DV speaking very closely and hearing her words deeply, she’s on the path to truth in her own way, but she has certainly got caught up in the scriptures and the books and the knowledge instead of discarding all of that and finding the very simple truth within her. If she had found that truth, had that union with the Creator, she would not be sharing videos about rejecting this or that form of practise or belief – she would not even be studying anymore, she would simply just be sharing Love and God’s Light into the world to help others find it.
Thank you for your response, Ruby! I love this:
I saw I should not grasp, clutch and cling and depend on ANY teaching, ANY book, for they are all simply expressions and possibilities being allowed to play out in life.
I wish you the best!
Wow! Just wow! I have only just heard the news about Doreen Virtue’s complete 180° today. How I didn’t know this sooner, leaves me feeling puzzled. Just as her total abandonment of her craft leaves me feeling baffled too! She was always an inspiration and someone I looked to for guidance.
I completely agree with everything you have stated in your article. Particularly the part where you suggest that Doreen is now “Acting from a place of fear, not love.” And the fact that she has even gone so far as to make a list of all things she deems to be evil is some pretty solid evidence to back your theory too I’d say!
I also believe that all faiths, practices, beliefs and so forth, reserve the right to be respected by others. However, I will say that in my experience, I have always found the Christian faith to be one that is most heavily overbearing and incredibly judgemental. And one that will go to great lengths to push its own agenda in a rather forceful and unsettling way. So given my personal feelings about Christianity as a whole, I am actually not as surprised by her actions as I initially felt when I had read the news… (at long last!) But hey, each to their own! That’s her path. Her journey. Good luck to her and may she find solace in her new-found life path and purpose.
Thank you for responding!
I wholeheartedly agree with this: I have always found the Christian faith to be one that is most heavily overbearing and incredibly judgemental. And one that will go to great lengths to push its own agenda in a rather forceful and unsettling way.
especially recently in the US.
But yes, perhaps she is finding her peace now.
And we have to find our own.
Wishing you the best and thank you for your comment!
That’s pretty shocking news & I’m sorry to hear it. I wasn’t overly familiar with Virtue’s work but I knew she was a big name in the New Age & what I did read of her sounded good. But Christianity is a seductive religion. The New Age has the carrot, but Christianity has the stick (Hell) & many people are far more motivated by fear than they are by hope.
On the subject of demons & the devil, I think Virtue, with all due respect, is playing word games here. If she wants to chastise her former spirit friends as demons, well, so be it. But evil is as evil does. Jesus wants everyone to get on their knees & accept him as their lord & savior or be tortured for all eternity? That sounds pretty evil to me. Meanwhile Satan wants us to hug & accept those who are different from us in some global kumbuya? Hail Satan!
Bottom line: Doreen Virtue has offered nothing of substance here. Any credibility she held as a New Age author has no weight as a saved Christian. As far as I’m concerned she’s just one among many who gave into childish fear in the face of old age instead of sticking by her youthful ideals, which gives you an idea of just how sincere she actually was.
I agree with you on so many points, especially the global kumbuya. If that’s evil, then I don’t know what ‘good’ is.
Thank you for commenting!
forgive my English because i’m no native speaker.
I think this is what happend.
She herselfs tells she had conversion by a preacher who explained Deut 18,10-12.
For me as European and Catholic these preachers in the USA are mere fundamentalists who lack any form of spirituality or to but it precisely think that the Bible is only understood well when taken literal. The see the Bible as a pure historical book and not as a spiritual and philosophic Scripture. The quoted text is all about sorcery and divination.
But the Bible does not point to divination through cards. It is pointing to the rituals, the pagan rituals who are in stand in the way for the human to connect in a free and open way to Gods presence.
She herself tells that this made her change her mind. And so she left this way. She also explains and that is very important that she always believend Jesus was a created soul and not begotten. This si high philosophical Greek discussion of the 3th century AC.
This theory of the nature of Jesus, the Christ split Christianity into 3 parts. One group was so convinced that Jesus was only and pure God he lost his human nature. In this group that later became known as the Gnostic Christianity there was a tendency to demonize the Old Testament God as a demiurg or demon. This Christian movement was expelled (rightly) out of Christianity and reappeared in the 12th century as the Cathars. First in Cologne and later in South France. They didn’t believe in the God as creator and the saw the angels as demons. Only Jesus was the one true god.
Something Jesus and Paul never ever would and could say!
Therefore the extremely hated Jews and Judaism.
So when i saw here youtube on Metatron i was struck. I immediately recognized the similarity in what she tells and those ideas. She says that Metatron was a demon who influenced here and she is very negative about the rabbinical and Jewish mystic texts who talk about Metatron and the archangels. These ideas are not very well known by many people nowadays esp.. in the New Age who venerate Catharism. But you have to know that many evangelic movements in the 16th century esp. the protectant movements of the Huguenots exactly had there origin in the same area in south France.
These ideas where transported to north-western Europe esp. to the Netherlands and England. The Evangelic Christians of the USA are still rooted in those ideas of the 16th century and therefore evolved to the most harsh fundamentalist of nowadays Christianity.
I guess Doreen Virtue is partly a victim of this preacher. Moreover she is now attacked by other fundamentalists who don’t believe in her conversion.
Thank you for your response, Ton.
I haven’t watched any of her new videos because I don’t want to get her numbers up or influence her data. That’s the marketer in me. But very interesting background about how the religion split in its history in Europe.
I saw a video of her in which she says she always was afraid of Tarot espc because of the card XV the Devil. I was struck by this comment because the Great Arcana is a spiritual path. So i guess she herself tends to take things literal. But how can her work that is so positive and loving be wrong? The most disturbing comment of her was on Metatron. In Judaism Metatron is the chief of all the hosts for the divine presence. And the similarity to those ideas to reject angels and the ideas of Catharism is so obvious. The Cathars so to say (unwillingly) provoked the Inquisition. But before that the great mystic and scientist Hildegard von Bingen also objected to these teachings of the cathars. So a deep spiritual mind can’t reject the existence of the power of Gods love what angels in principle are. but maybe she will eventually turn back. I can’t imagine her to reject all the path of love and spirituality. Even here in Europe her cards and books are used although some German lightworkers like Ingrid Auer and Ulrike Hinrichs and Ambika Wauters were already before her in the Angelic therapy work. Lets pray and hope that the finds the path to love and light.
I discovered in 2019 what had happened. At first, I thought she had gone mad. Then I decided to listen to what she had to say and see how I felt about that. Yes, she is extreme, but I DID agree with most things she said, once I REALLY put my life and all the new age practices I had done under a microscope. It was difficult,took me a year or so to regain my grounding (*did I say how shocked I was?!) And then today… (the reason I found this article) I had an EVEN BIGGER SHOCK when I saw (randomly) that hay house and radleigh valentine have rebranded Doreens oracle decks as Radleighs!!!! I was /AM in SHOCK!!! I WOULD understand them doing that with her permission and acknowledging her as the initial creator but THE WAY THEU DID IT,, AND RADLEIGH OUTRIGHT LYING TO HIS FOLLOWERS IN HIS VIDEOS SAYING “I created these blah blah blah” ” because of … I decided to create…”
😮 whaaaatttt!?!??! How can you LIE SO BLATANTLY?! HOW CAN YOU USE THE ENERGY OF CARDS THat clearly are not the same anymore to MANY MANY people (myself included) ?!?!? I was just SHOCKED. SO SHOCKED that I wanted to write here,which I neeever doooo,never comment on things.
It just made me see Radleigh in such an awful light,how can you lie to your followers and fans?? It is absurd to think it!I am in shock. At him.and at hay house. The dignified thing to do would have been to ask him to create new decks… not to Continue using decks the woman clearly does not wish to be used anymore. Just has a bad vibe,in my opinion…. just ruined hay house integrity for me. And definitely ruined Radleighs integrity for me. No idea what the truth is,no judgment,I personally have stopped using those practices in my life (as a coach and so on ) but that is not to say I mind anyone who does. Just doesn’t jive with me anymore after listening to many people on the subject and taking a very real and honest look at my life and the effects on my friends of aspects of that world. No judgment, just respect and love for all. Just wanted to share about this new discovery about radleigh valentine and hay house. I am in shock that they would allow such blatant lies and deception. All the best.
I have an entirely different viewpoint of this. Radleigh was 100% a part of the creation of the deck; it was a shared project. Doreen mentioned this several times when she taught tarot, and Radleigh was an essential part of the training sessions. He was super friendly, open, and joyous at every event I attended. Actually, HE was the one who chose the volunteers and was our primary contact person when we volunteered.
To me, it makes sense that Hay House rebranded them and put them under his name, IMHO. My box has Doreen Virtue AND Radleigh Valentine listed as the creators.
I hope that helps you feel better about the decision Hay House made.
** oh,and just to add that I now don’t feel comfortable with anything where anyone is assuming to know what is right for me, what I should do etc. As well as not doing anything that make anyone think I know what is their path or what they should do etc.
That’s just my belief .
If we stay in our hearts, and continue to trust our own Intuition – I think we know the Lesson here is that we don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. “What just happened?” We can continue on our path without her, and be aware that she is not who we thought she was – but she somehow gave us access to important, relevant, useful information. For her to disavow and “disown” her “followers” now, may end up being a savvy business move for her in this political environment. I’d not give her very much more attention. Google “who follows Jesus” on psychology.com. It all gets very interesting! I’m so thankful you took the time to write and post this article. I saw what she had been posting… I was shocked.
Thank you for your comment. Yes. We should stay in our hearts and trust our intuition. That, if anything else, was the most valuable lesson I got from her and I am happy for what I learned from her. And yeah. I don’t give her any attention at all anymore, either. I’ve moved on to other teachers and healers.
Kind regards and blessings,
It’s awesome to read everyone’s perspectives on this issue. It’s interesting that her deviation from new age was so impacting and I think that’s exactly the purpose.
Most world religions put someone on a pedestal to be worshipped. As a Christian (many years ago) I was taught that I needed to place my self worth in Jesus. Was that ever his intention? The big picture regarding Doreen is this: She taught me some things and undeniably led me closer to understanding God, angels and myself. Yet, she bowed out of the equation so as not to be put on a pedestal.
In recent years I’ve seen others at the forefront of new age including Deepak Chopra and Neale Donald Walsh falter in some respects. I think it’s by design, part of a larger plan. If Doreen was still in the new age scene, I can’t help but feel a part of me would still be “following” her. As the leaders of new age exhibit the lesser qualities that make us all human, we make the choice to become our own leaders. I think that’s the purpose behind all of this.
I see it not as her abandoning anyone but rather a necessary step in assisting us to all choose self empowerment.
Very nice perspective, Jason! Thank you for sharing!!
Thank you Jason. Your comments have made sense of something for me
I totally agree. I have thought similar thoughts myself, that it is the end of Gurus, cult leaders and organized religion. It is a spiritual coming of age proces, we leave adolescence behind where we still had needed spiritual parent substitutes.
Hi Sue! Thanks for your thoughtful response. Honestly before I was truly saved I never really understood how to rightly interpret the bible and I would frequently quote verses in a manner like you just did. How many people know the bible, can recite verses from it, and yet say absolutely vile things with it?!
The law of attraction might be true in some respects but it puts your self at the center of everything. It is witchcraft, which as Christians, we abstain from.
John 10:30 – I and my Father are one — this is Jesus saying He and His Father are one, not us individually as mere human beings!
Luke 17:21 – this is a great quote. Absolutely the kingdom of God is within our hearts – and God demands this purity of heart and faith towards Him. If you read around this verse you will see Jesus is addressing the hypocritical Pharisees, who had religion but not humility, not purity.
We should seek first God and His kingdom, before seeking things of the earth.
LoA reverses this. It puts all the other things of this world above God. If you seek after God and His righteousness you will always have peace and happiness, Sue. You will no longer have an urge to keep going after more and more until it consumes your soul. The peace of the Lord is “not as the world gives”.
God bless you, Sue. May God turn your heart and my heart in humility towards Him every day. Please let me know if I can be of help in reading the Word more
P.S., . These are two links which you can use if you wish to learn more: https://www.claremcnaul.com/, https://www.amazon.com/Occult-Christ-Journey-Faith-ebook/dp/B0165WMO0K.
Thank you for your response. It seems that we have some major differences in how we interpret Bible passages and the way things work.
That’s OK. I’ll let you keep yours and I will go ahead and keep mine.
Have a wonderful afternoon.
Thanks for writing this, and to all people replying.
I must say I got here because I’m hella confused. I’m one of those people who have lucid dreams with responses, I connect with oracle cards and have many synchronicities. I got into new age because it has answered every question i had about me, my “gifts” and life. Of course I don’t believe in any teacher, and I personally kind of repelled Doreen’s content. About 5 days ago I had a deep existencial crisis and asked for responses, about 3 days ago I got Doreen’s book on angel’s kingdoms and literally, every question I had was responses with humongous sense to me.
Now that I see this about Doreen, I’m pretty confused. I hate saying this but it makes me doubt a little bit about my spiritual experiences.
I do believe Doreen is moving to an extreme pole (where even yoga y sinful… WHAT?!) however, I don’t know where I should put my limits.
Sorry that you are feeling conflicted. Honestly, there are so many great teachers now about spirituality and angels, like Diana Cooper and Kyle Gray.
Our spiritual experiences are so unique and personal to us. If you feel soothed and understood through New Age studies and theories, go with that.
Don’t let her journey take you off YOUR path.
I hope that helps!
Kind regards and blessings,
Thanks so much for sharing your insights! I was surprised to see Doreen’s shift, as I have read her books over the years and received genuine inspiration and development of trust in myself, messages and signs I receive from reading her perspectives. I get a sense that she was feeling negative energy from others and perhaps began doubting herself as she became popularized. I was a bit unnerved by the YouTube I watched, as I experienced Pastor Alistair Begg as overly certain and judgmental. Anytime someone is so certain they are right and you are wrong… it triggers questions.
Your blog resonates with me a great deal and thank you for sharing!
Thank you for replying, Melissa.
There is so much we don’t know about what her thought process was and why the sudden shift. But we all have to choose our own way of connecting with the Universe.
I’m glad she made her original work. It helped me in my own spiritual journey. I just get sad that she chooses to label things as evil that just aren’t. Seems like a step backward for anyone she influences.
Kind regards and blessings,
You need to understand New Age was just her career niche of choice for a time. That’s all it was. She cultivated a guru persona because that sold product. It’s no different than you toiliring your resume to only include relevant experience. The reasons for her leaving that career are probably many and varied and are importantly her own business, no-one elses. Everyone at some point will experience a deep disillusionment with where they have been even if it was really successful for them and take a new direction.
I also lost interest in the New Age realising after a time it was just wish fulfillment and a religion of do-whatever….everyone is going to love that religion right? There are no boundaries, no restrictions.
Reality is, a lot of people have woken up to where a lack of discipline and values have landed society. In deep crap, and they are coming back to traditions that offered the opposition, a strong foundation for wisdom and ethics. Now if these same people have a reaction to their old life of revulsion and denounciation then so be it. They have discovered it was a way of being misled for them personally.
She never owed the world her allegiance to the New Age movement. Just because it’s pretty doesn’t mean it’s good. I woke up to this when I realised what New Age guru’s primarily are….they are entertainers, not life coaches or people to heed advice from. The entire industry relies on consummerism the same as any other. If it works for you then stick at it, I did for a very long time. But it brought me to a dead end and it appears to have done the same for her.
I met Doreen Virtue and her sons Grant and Charles and also Grant’s wife, Melissa, and Radleigh Valentine. I spent thousands upon thousands of dollars traveling all around the country to attend her certification courses. I achieved 24 different certifications, mostly through the Virtue family and I enjoyed many wonderful events, have lots of signed decks and books, learned lots about myself and developed the credentials and confidence to succeed working for psychic hotlines and eventually opening my own business in crystal healing. So many doors opened for me because of Doreen. I was also raised in the Pentecostal Evangelical Christian Church. It is not the same thing as the Christian Science Church that Doreen was raised in but they both have cultic elements with a basic ideology that places a great value in shaming people for having any independent spiritual beliefs or values, any types of sexual proclivities deemed immoral, and women are essentially devalued and seen as best suited to be the servants of men. They keep people strong in their, “faith,” through various types of brainwashing – shaming, spiritual ecstasies, shunning, germinating a very real fear of Hell. If you grew up in one of these religions it is literally NOT POSSIBLE unless you were to experience something like a full amnesia with complete loss of personality and identity to ever truly be free of the beliefs and fears that they instill in you from a very young age. No matter how much healing, distancing, working with professionals, believing other beliefs, there is always a nagging fear in the back of one’s mind that, what if I am putting other Gods before Him?! What if I don’t get a chance to repent for all this before I die?! No, no, it’s not real. But what if it is?! What if everyone else is wrong that it’s not?! Surely, I’m safer in just believing in it, just a tiny bit, just enough to ensure that I won’t go to Hell if I die, yeah that’s what I’ll do… Then it gets put out of your mind and you go about your life but these thoughts will always continue to resurface. If an individual who belonged to one of these groups begins to go through a particularly difficult time – their new support systems aren’t working for them anymore or right then, they are dealing with financial ruin and public embarrassment, they have become mentally unstable… In times of hopelessness they will frequently return to the place or origin (the cult of their childhood) and it is at these times that they are particularly and profoundly psychologically weakened and prone to a relapse in the previous faith. It is not necessarily that anyone has preyed on them either in the beginning or during their return. The beliefs themselves are unwell enough so that a specific personality type can very much cause themselves entirely independent of the persuasions of any other member in the pew to suddenly experience an incredible religious revelation and then revert back fervently to the previous belief system. After sharing this they will receive much support and admiration, love and acceptance… All the things that they needed during the initial crisis and weren’t getting. Trust me, it will not last though. It is not uncommon to see a flippant change back and forth from the religion of choice to the religion of believed necessity amongst people like Doreen (and myself). It is something she will likely always struggle with. It is also probably a major facet of many different origins of her mental instability. During the few times I spent watching and listening to her, I can honestly say that many of the things she said coupled with the descriptions of her past and now her present actions I believe delineate a person struggling with undiagnosed covert borderline personality disorder and likely an anxious type of mood disorder as well. This is just my personal insight into what is going on with her most likely but I hope it can hopefully enlighten some people into understanding some of her seemingly hypocritical actions and statements and seeming undecided nature on where she stands. I believe she believes both what she taught before as well as what she teaches now but is painfully divided over the fact that she likely had it ground into her that the two absolutely cannot be compatible and one must choose one over the other. I think she tried to believe in them compatibly for many years but when emotional devastation took her for whatever reason or another she has reverted back to the origin place of comfort because it likely feels safest. It also is probably a very supportive outlet for her because it is community based whereas her previous affiliations were very isolative aside from having millions of followers. Followers are not the same thing as mutual brethren in following someone else though. It would seem that being a leader and teacher was something that had become too much for her and she needed to spend some time following someone else instead. Why she chose the religion she chose to follow, I obviously already have outlined above. It is unquestionable to me that she is a person in a lot of pain who has experienced a lot of internal confliction, guilt and shame over many years as well as abuse (this is something she has spoken of herself, by the way). It would probably be best for everyone to be kind and supportive of her, regardless of whether they like the new Doreen or agree with her new beliefs. It’s obviously something she was needing and looking for if she was going to church to begin with.
It’s quite shocking to say the least, this about face of Doreen’s anti-new age belief system. This is a highly educated women who has been writing and practicing New Age for decades and earning millions from it. What suddenly caused this incredible change. If she truly feels that all these things that she once wrote about, spoke about, practiced, etc., etc., are evil then perhaps she should also donate every single million she has earned from “evil” to the church so she can have God’s complete forgiveness. But no, she’ll be keeping the mansion, the cars, the private plane, the jewellery, and all the money. It’s ridiculous. I know when people get old they start thinking about death a lot, and some start heading back to church. Perhaps this is the case…
When someone says that there is only one way to heaven, I stop listening. How dare they condemn anothers path? Jesus, was tortured and killed because some haters of his message decided he was dangerous, that his path was criminal. DVs message now is calling out others spiritual beliefs as satanic . Does she not realize that she is marginalizing very good people who do good work in the world, who love and cherish the light ? Who have open hearts full of love for the planet, people and animals? Does she not realize that she is bringing the dark ages back when many women were murdered for their beliefs!!!! Good women of light!!!! Condemned as demons. Fundamentalism scares me ! Yikes!
I have only just learned about Doreen Virtue becoming a born again Christian. I just read a book of hers which caused me to check her out online and that is when I found that she has renounced her spirituality. I also have her Daily Guidance cards bought long ago. I was brought up a Roman Catholic and discarded that as soon as I left the fear mongering convent school. One does not need to pray in church to talk to God.
I know there are fallen angels, and these are in fact what is causing the world’s woes today, at least I think that is what is going on. But there are the good angels, and the light is infinitely more powerful than the dark. The angels help me every day, whether its a parking spot, healing or protection from harm for myself and family. In fact, I feel there is a lack of spirituality in the world today and this is cause for concern.
I don’t care what she says or believes now… it does not affect my thoughts about the spiritual world at all. My faith is in the true God, the source of all, and his good angels – and I can talk to him or them any time at all and know they have my back.
I believe she has made a wrong decision and one that she will come to realise in due time, hopefully before its too late.
The Inquisition also believed that anything spiritual was witchcraft and killed and tortured many souls for their spiritual beliefs and destroyed whole cultures, same with the Catholic church. Totally fear based.